"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Sexual Flirting

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I approached this college-aged girl at the mall who was working at a Kiosk. She was reading, and I opened up with "Let me guess, you're ready one of the Twilight novels, right?" She responded with "No, I'm reading this sex novel called "Shades of Grey."

I joked with her by calling her a pervert. She laughed and responded that she's learning a lot about sex from reading this book, that it gives her plenty of ideas about sexual positions, situations, etc., and that I should read it. I responded (VERY boldly) with "So what's your favorite position?" She thought about it and said she didn't know. She also added that it was cool just to "sit around and think about sex all day," as she read the book.

Anyway, we talked a bit more, mostly small talk, and I walked away with the number. I couldn't help but think that this was the most sexually charged conversation with a female stranger that I've had in a long time, that SHE started.

I'm planning to hit her up later in the week. Any suggestions on how I should proceed after such a sexual conversation?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I would just play it cool, sort of lay back and let her come to you. But not too cool, remember: she wants you. So text her later this week. Just say hey what's up, wanna hang out, be casual. I wouldn't get sexual with a person by text so soon. If she wants to hang out with you, she will hang out with you. And don't use any emoticons btw.

I'm thinking maybe you should have come up with something you had in common and used that as a time bridge so you could theoretically do that with the girl, or use it as an excuse to meet up.

So I hope this helps, otherwise I'm sure someone else would care to respond and help you as well.
 

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Thanks Chamber36

I actually asked her to lunch next Thursday. Her sexual overtones had my mind spinning (hence the sexual question on my part). I've come on too strong in the past, so I'm careful not to be too sexual now....
 

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This Shades of Grey series is generating a lot of buzz.

I wonder if there's anything we can find in the book that would help in the seduction process.

As in recreate a scene in the book and see if it has any effect on a girl.

I wonder how sexual the book actually is. Is it a guy's idea of sexual, like "he bends her over a table and lifts her skirt up" or are we talking "he nibbles gently on her neck in a field of roses"
 

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You probably know it's probably better that you texted her sooner than later. Women are quick to forget a guy. Anyway just play it cool but know that you are ready to play your role as a man when the time comes.

Just sort of lay back and see what she expects of you. But lead the date. Don't go overboard though. Just be cordial.

I would just enjoy the ride while it lasts and hope no red flags pop up.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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MisterD said:
This Shades of Grey series is generating a lot of buzz.

I wonder if there's anything we can find in the book that would help in the seduction process.

As in recreate a scene in the book and see if it has any effect on a girl.

I wonder how sexual the book actually is. Is it a guy's idea of sexual, like "he bends her over a table and lifts her skirt up" or are we talking "he nibbles gently on her neck in a field of roses"

Bro, the way the girl described it, it's written more from a male's perspective. It's supposed to be about this wealthy CEO-type who is a sexual deviant. He's into domination, and seeks out "submissives" so he can beat them and humiliate them, because his mother humiliated him as a child, or something like that.

Sounds like something men would read, huh? lol.
 

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jglide123 said:
Bro, the way the girl described it, it's written more from a male's perspective. It's supposed to be about this wealthy CEO-type who is a sexual deviant. He's into domination, and seeks out "submissives" so he can beat them and humiliate them, because his mother humiliated him as a child, or something like that.

Sounds like something men would read, huh? lol.
Heh, interesting. So he's not writing them poems and giving them gifts.

Further pushes the belief that when it comes to sex, women like it rough more often than not.

Girls want to get ****ed.
 
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