Several Topics...

[mikeraw]

In this post I'm going to ask about several topics and I'm going to list them in case they don't apply to you, so that you don't waste your time reading my whole post. Topics:

1. Veracity of stories and anecdotes.

2. Number of approaches.

3. Calling back dynamics.

4. Facebook and MySpace etiquette.


1.
I've listened to and read a lot of material concerning seduction, dating, etc. Like any reasonable guy, I like to question what I absorb. I want to be intellectually convinced of what I'm listening to and what I'm about to embark on. Before anyone says that female behavior is not logical, notice that I said “intellectually” convinced not “logically”. The guys teaching and writing the seminars and the DJS and PUAS on this forum often use stories to get their points across, but I wonder how much of it is a case of “do as I say, not as I do”. Obviously, you'll never know until you try them yourself, but often I can't help but wonder if these are just passages read from psychology books or if they're field tested material.

I know that in the end all this advice is aimed to help you and for that I'm grateful and apologize to anyone that I might offend by asking this, but does anyone else doubt all these convenient stories? I mean, all the information that DJS and PUAS put out there has been available for decades in psychology books. Are thee guys just awesome marketing businessmen that have neatly packaged it for us? Are they just regurgitating and selling us anecdotes? Sometimes I find myself wondering this and it distracts me from paying attention to the rest of the CD, for instance... Thoughts?



2.
This questions is sort of related to the above point. I often hear DJS and PUAS advice us to make as much contact with girls as possible. If you get shot down once, move on to the next. Got a number, cool, now move on to the next. So on and so forth. But what bothers me about this method is that I've heard girls criticize guys acting like this as “desperate” and “gross” going from girl to girl. And I'm not talking about 18 yr olds, either... I'm talking about women up to their 40's and 50's. At no point when a expositor is talking about this 'relentless' attack to get numbers and talk to girls does he address this issue.


3.
Point about numbers. I get them easily, but calling back is always an issue. Sometimes I call a month after having gotten the number and it works great, other times, it doesn't. Other times I call the next day and it's great, other times I get the cold shoulder. Can anyone refresh me on this subject?


4.
And while we're still living in the age of Facebook and MySpace, I've found that girls are a little more reluctant to give out their email address. They often question correctly if I want their email to look them up on those sites... How do we get around this?

Thanks to anyone that replies to this post!

 

[LostAndConfused]

1.) Personally, I doubt most of these stories heavily. The POINTS they bring across though like using some negs, kino, having high confidence are all true however. Some of the openers I read in books and see on this forum sound too fake in my opinion. I see too much of the "corny comment then smile" approach. Most of the girls that I approach just laugh when you come out with a comment like that. I can go to just about any thread on this forum with openers in it and pick out some that are corny and wouldn't work with most women (besides the stupid and/or drunk ones).

Just focus on the POINTS though, they are what will help most. Take the stories with a grain of salt (thats my personal approach to it). And, remember that women are quite stupid creatures. Sometimes fake-sounding stories somehow work, just because the DJ's confidence and other factors outweigh his crappy opener.

2.) I think what they mean by go on to the next is...don't get too hung up over being shot down by one girl. You fail, you learn, you move on. But yeah, the "desparate" factor is something that doesn't get addressed here much. I have a friend who is a very good DJ, and when I watch him talk to a girl, when he fails, its very likely the next girl he approaches witnessed his failure and considers him desparate before he even talks. That **** happens, but it doesn't happen all the time, and it shouldn't stop you from seizing every opportunity. Carpe Diem....you've probably heard it alot, it means "seize the day." Well change that to Carpe Scortillum..."seize the b*tch." A girl thinks your desparate? F*ck her and move on.

3.) Girls, as you probably know, are quite simplistic, they are creatures of feeling. They could have just simply forgotten the good feelings you brought them, so calling them makes them think "Who is this guy?" It can be debated till we go to hell and back of when to call a girl after picking up her number. I definitely wouldn't contact her on the same day, but we shouldn't argue about semantics. Just remind her of the "good feelings" you brought her when you pulled her number. And some girls give out their numbers even if they aren't interested, so that could be another reason why they give you the cold shoulder.

4.) Well you could either just pull their number, or maybe write her a note saying "facebook me --- (your name, your network)." The fact that she friends you is an IOI right there. If they don't want to give up their facebook, then either they were not interested, or they are uncomfortable with giving a guy they just met their facebook (which has personal info of course). Both scenarios can happen, so just casually ask for her number if she doesn't give her facebook. If you can tell she's not interested though, just find someone else.

 

[sav]

1.

do what works for you, the point is you have to get OUT there....

2.

all *****es want a player.... and yeah they are gonna deny it when asked about it, dont listen to what girls say, listen to what they DO.

3.

there's no formula... its a numbers game as well as how good of an impression you made.

4. who cares? asking for email, **** that, go for the number.....


good luck.

 

[ready123]

cool thread

1. Veracity of stories and anecdotes.

I assume most of them are true. I used to think when reading these stories, a lot of these speech patterns just sound way too corny to work, then I realized it's all about congruence, not really what you say. anything can happen

2. Number of approaches.

To put everything in perspective, the girl doesn't know you well enough to have an informed opinion about you. It's just gut reaction talk on her part. And technically you don't know her well enough that her opinion should matter anyway

A lot of times at the beginning since us guys have to act first, we put the girl on a pedestal. But as you get experience, you realize most of these are girls are not flawless and got hella problems. That's a big reality check. Why should you care about what some stranger thinks about you? Especially when she didn't wanna take the time to get to know you?

On the otherhand, if girl after girl calls you "creepy", you've just gotten feedback that you need to tone down the playa vibe, or that you're coming across wierd

3. Calling back dynamics.

there's no formula on number of days you should wait or any sh!t like that. the energy of the interaction is more important

4. Facebook and MySpace etiquette.

I have no clue about online hook-ups