Seraph's Boot Camp Journal

[Seraph]

Ok, here's the scenario and the people involved-

AFC1- Good friend of mine for 3, 3+ years. Really bad AFC, had past experiences where girls have used him as a emotional tampon, or a guy to get the ex jealous.

AFC2- Another good friend of mine, also an AFC, but hasn't had a girlfriend before. Could have at one point, but did the wrong things and waited too long.

TWG- Tall white guy. Last friend of mine in this scenario, but isn't an AFC. His dad's an alpha male through and through, and it got passed on to him. Has a girlfriend, had another in the past.

HB6- Girl featured in this little soap oprea.

Ok, AFC1 gets set up with HB6 via his brother. HB6 is the best friend his brother's girlfriend. TWG and I thought this was a bad idea but AFC1 is desperate as sh!t, so he will take what he can get. He got too into this whole dating thing and for some reason, was calling her his girlfriend after the first date. Whatever. Saturday night rolls around. I decided that Shaun of the Dead would be a good movie to see, so I call up my friends and we go out to see it. AFC1 brings HB6. He's tense/nervous or whatever so TWG and I have to carry most of the conversation and the laughter, with AFC2 chipping in every now and then. Earlier that day, TWG had been hanging out with the three of them and confirmed what we had thought- all the affection in the relationship was one sided. HB6 seemed like she was bored of him already, and no surprise.

Why no surprise? Well everytime AFC1 chimed in, it was usually some lame joke or random thing about cars that had everyone going or . After the movie, we decided to head to IHOP. TWG has to wake up early the next day, so he doesn't join us. I keep the laughs going, and we stop by for gas (AFC2 is driving). HB6 and AFC1 are in the backseat, sitting on opposite sides of the car, not even touching. I keep them entertained while AFC2 is filling up, and HB6 says something about me switching places with AFC1. I brush it off and somehow go with a joke about AFC1 and 2 acting like a married couple, and I guess she thought I misunderstood her. She says-

HB6: No, you and AFC1 could switch places.
Seraph: Nah, if AFC1 sat up here, him and AFC2 would have a b!tch- fight
HB6: That's ok, you could sit back here and we could laugh at them
Seraph:

Somehow we get to IHOP without me ending up in another convo like that. At the IHOP, since AFC1 and 2 aren't that great at keeping up a good convo, I continue bringing the funny. I use C+F on her alot, call her a lumberjack, make fun of her being an eagles fan, all that stuff. She's eating it up faster than she's drinking her coffee. At one point before we got served (only 1 waiter in the whole IHOP, like 5 or 6 other tables beside us) I get up, walk to the back of the kitchen and chat with the waiter about getting us some drinks. Guy ends up coming out, using the whole " do I know you from my highschool" line on me and I just kid him around as well. Meanwhile, every now and then AFC1 tries to go with my jokes and at one point HB6 turns to him after laughing at my joke and says " are you still talking?" . I mean, she keeps that kind of stuff throughout the night (in a kidding manner) but you still would've have shaken your head if you had been there. He just took it all like a little b!tch, it was so pathetic.

Sunday comes around. I pick up AFC2 because I got the random urge to go buy a boardgame. He calls up AFC1 and we go to pick him up. Whaddya know, HB6 is there as well. We all hop in my car, and on the way there, me and AFC2 are bobbing our heads/lowering or making our voices squeaky/just sh!tting around to w/e we put in the cd player, and sometimes we try to get them to join in but it doesn't work out. I mean, the stale, boring air that they had around them just made me want to fill up the car with laughter again and tonight AFC2 was actually a great wingman to help me accomplish that. AFC1 at one point tells me there is a wal-mart closer, so I chide with him saying " I don't care, I want to go to this wal-mart". It's the same type of thing I did last night about IHOP. " If it's closed I'll break in there and fix myself some pancakes man, I'm that hungry ".

We get the boardgame (Life), AFC2 buys a chess board, more hilarity ensues and we go to AFC1's house to play it. While we play it, he drops some mumble comment about not being able to play Candyland. I'm like why didn't you buy it if you wanted it so bad?". He's cheap when it comes to spending his money on the most random things. Anyway, TWG comes by for a bit, helps me out a ton with keeping the good laughs rolling and everyone is having a good time, except for AFC1. I mean, at one point before we started playing I was messing around with his dog, his two sisters and just having a blast. It's like last week just released some pressure where nowadays I just don't care unless I'm having fun.

After Life, TWG has to leave so AFC1 and AFC2 play a loooong game of chess. What do I do? Random sh!t, grabbing whatever is near and having a ball with it. At times I have all of them laughing (AFC1 included) and most of the time I get heavy eye contact from HB6. This girl can't help but flip her hair or smile and laugh everytime we make eye contact. I eventually say during the game that they need to hurry up, since HB6 and I are going to play a game of checkers. Once they finish, we play and I actually get quiet, as I want to win . AFC1's brother calls HB6 during our game and she's all like " what? I'm in the middle of a very intense game of checkers right now" and all that jazz. There's more eye contact, laughter and hair flipping and I win the game. I'm not sure if she let me win or if she just got distracted.

Long story short, since I wasn't around alot of other girls this weekend I used my AFC friend's "date" as practice. Before I even practiced on her they were going nowhere, getting burnt out on eachother. The guy has spent 4 out of 7 days with her in the past week. They've only been seeing eachother since last friday! Not only that, but he talks to her on AIM. I warned him that they'll burn out on eachother too soon, but he ignores me. Not only that, but during the game at one point during a convo he said " at least I'm not alone anymore". I was thinking "dammit don't say that type of sh!t out loud man". I instead played it off as a joke- I went into the living room looking for his dignity. When AFC1 said that, HB6 put her hands in her hoodie, covered her mouth and looked away from him. Hoo boy.

 

[blue17]

I feel bad for your AFC friend, Seraph. Is there any chance you could help him out a little or is he too proud to accept advice? I mean even I wasn't as much of an AFC as he was before I found this site...

 

[Seraph]

I've tried before, especially aruond the time that I first found this site. He's still stuck in highschool mode, sad to say. This is partly the reason why I got the leadership books, I want to be able to get better at helping people improve. I already am the listener of my main group of friends, but my advice is usually taken with a grain of salt or ignored (except by TWG). I want to fix that. The first book I've started reading has a good quote on par with this-

Did you know that each of us influences at least ten thousand other people in our lifetime? So the question is not whether you will influence someone, but how you will use your influence

Over time and especially during this long boot camp I've noticed how so many people have such potential in themselves, but they are scared to take the first step. For alot of them, you just have to nudge them in the right direction and they can do the rest. I'm thinking that leaders don't lead the rest of us to sucess, but help us realize how sucessful we can be (they are our "nudge in the right direction"). Last quote, then I'm done for tonight-

To be concious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step to knowledge- English Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

 

[Zonder]

On this board alone you have influenced, and are still influencing, more people than you realize. See all those guys in the boot camp thread (including yours truly) ? See all those guys who SHOULD BE posting on the boot camp thread but arent? Well, them and maybe dozens of others who aren't registered are probably only doing it because of you.

You heard me. It was partly you who inspired frivolous to organize the thread. Besides, you are ahead of the rest of us, we we look at your BC thread as a kind of a map on how to proceed and what to expect the following week. If you keep up the good work we'll be more inspired to continue too.

You're doing great so far, keep it up.

 

[Aresx]

dude you fukkin rock

you inspire the shyt out of me motherfukker!!!

 

[cant think of a user name]

Really inspiring! It's great when there are posts like these, helps nudge the rest of us in the right direction.

 

[Seraph]

What? You guys are crazy .

Seriously though, I thought you all would be pissed off to see that I didn't try for more rejections those two nights I was hanging out with my friends. How am I still able to inpsire you people? I'm taking so fvkking long to get this over with, I'm no James Bond or natural Don Juan- just a regular guy you would see on the street. I don't see how you all are able to put up with my slacker bs, I should probably be on week 6 or 7 by now.

Whatever, I'll keep it up, not just for me, but for you guys. I'll post what happened to me today in a second.

 

[Seraph]

Today I remembered the part in the leadership book talking about discipline-

No matter how gifted a leader is, his gifts will never reach their full potential without the application of self-discipline

The biggest quote that hit to home though, was this one-

If you know you have talent, and you've seen a lot of motion but little concrete results- you may lack self-discipline

That got me thinking. I've made too many excuses in the past, about why I didn't reach this goal, or why I didn't reach that goal. Especially during this boot camp. I'm guessing it mostly goes back to fear. Fear of change, fear of rejection, fear of an audience- whatever. Since I have to be at work at 6, and it's about 1, I decide to set a simple goal of 2 rejections for today. I go to:

Micheals
Staples
Old Navy
Borders
Best Buy
Petsmart

And I only get 1 rejection.One. Why? I think I picked a horrible time to run a guantlet on so many stores. Thursday afternoon, before highschool is out, there were not that many young people about. I thought this would be a good time to hit on girls that go to college like I do, but I guess they were all in their classes or something . Anyway, on to the 1 I got. It was at Best Buy, and I went to the stores in that order. I was getting kind of aggrivated that there were literally no hot women around, not even fvkking 6's. But I go inside, because Best Buy never lets me down, they always have at least one 6 or 7.

I go inside, and since I have to go buy some blank cds, I go towards the cd's. See this cute spanish-looking chick over by the computer section (got a slight smile) , but her lesbian boss comes out of nowhere. I'm like " damn", and go to where the blank cd's are. Well that whole shelf is empty. So what do I do? You guessed right, you smart reader, you . I go up to the cute chick and her boss and ask if they're all out of blank cd's. Apparently, they moved them. While the cute chick tells me where they are, the boss goes off on her own buisness. I then ask the cute chick (Anica) if she could show me where they were. She says sure, and proceeds to walk over there with me in tow. While going, I ask her about the wrist guard thing on her arm and find out she got into a car accident. We chat, and get to the cds. When she's about to leave, I ask her for her name and shake her hand as she tells me. Not letting go (might have been stupid of me) I ask her if she wanted to go out some time. She says she hasa boyfriend, and I wish her a nice day.

Weird thing is, when she said she had a boyfriend, I automatically started skimming the cd's. I didn't realize until I was deciding between the 30 and the 50 pack what I had just done.

" Hey...you just asked her out"
"What?"
"You just asked her out"
" Oh sh!t- I did, didn't I. It just seemed like the natural thing to do"

This was all in my head of course, I'm not crazy yet. But as odd as it sounds, it did really seem like a natural thing to do at the end of the conversation. It didn't affect me at all when she said no, it almost felt buisness like. I shake her hand, ask her out, skim the cds. In that order. Crazy stuff. I'm still annoyed that there were no hot girls at Petsmart (old father time was working the register). I guess I'll ask out the cute girl that also works at my bookstore, although I don't see her everyday. She might not be there today, but if she is I can add one more to my quota.

 

[MrCode]

Hey Seraph,

Despite what you think, you are inspiring a lot of us. Speaking of leadership, one of the best ways to lead is by example, and in many ways that is what you are doing here. You are out in the field, doing the boot camp exercises and getting results, so a lot of us are following your example.

Now, I wanted to give some advice regarding the BC week you are in. Even though the point of the exercise is to get rejections, I think you could increase your phone number/rejections ratio by changing your approaches a bit. I'll admit this is somewhat academic as my field experience is less than yours, but I think that if you would get more numbers/dates if you tried to build more rapport and asked for a phone number instead of asking them out directly. I think a lot of chics just have an automatic "I have a boyfriend" defensive response when a guy says "Would you like to go out sometime", or if he asks for her number without enough rapport.

As an example, I talked to a HB6.5 waitress at an upscale pool hall a few months ago and learned some interesting things. When she brought my drink I just outright asked her if she was hit on a lot. She said she was, and I ended up having a short conversation and she freely admitted that she frequently tells guys she has a boyfriend when they ask for her number, when in fact she does not have a boyfriend. I'm sure this isn't a great relevation to many guys here that women lie like this, but I was rather intrigued how she was honest when I asked in a very non-threatening way. Also, I wasn't interested in her, which helped things.

Anyhow, all this may not matter that much for your Seraph since you actually want rejections, per the BC exercise. But in the future it may be something to keep in mind.

 

[Zonder]

Originally posted by MrCode
she freely admitted that she frequently tells guys she has a boyfriend when they ask for her number, when in fact she does not have a boyfriend. I'm sure this isn't a great relevation

1) She tells you all the guys want her.
2) She tells you she doesn't have a boyfriend.
3) She tells you she won't use such an excuse against you.

Check out Pook's posts on ********. Chicks (especially waitresses) don't say things like that by accident too often. On the other hand, she might have been out just for a greater tip. My guess is, though, you played your cards better than you realize.

Women often give you subtle clues on whether they want to be asked out or not so after a 2 min convo you usually know exactly where you're standing with her. All BC'ers should be looking out for such clues.

Often, a hot chick in your social circle (job, college) will intially give you negative body language to show she's not interested romantically. When she sees you're cool and got the clue she will become much friendlier on her own and will start initialting convo's, etc to show that she wants to be friends. Being friends with a HB is not as bad as people make it out to be. You do have to associate with somebody on your job/college anyway, plus it's a great social proof.

 

[Ever onward]

Yo Seraph,

I told you earlier in your BC journal that I was enlisting because you inspired me. It was the line you said about "she just went from 'helping a customer mode' to 'whoa he wants to f uck me mode'"

I've always wanted to do BC and it was inspiring to see you going out and getting rejections, and having fun with it. Check out my BC posts on the main BC thread if you get a chance, I would appreciate your feedback

Anyways, like that other poster said, many join BC but few keep at it. That is why you are so inspiring to people on here. Very few people make it as far as you have.

I only wish I was on week 4 already, then we could swap rejection stories and have some good laughs!

Keep it up!

-cheers

 

[Seraph]

Mr Code- Yeah, I've thought about that. Only thing is (like you mentioned) is that I'm out to get rejections. I really do need to work on rapport building with chicks, which is what I've slowly started to do at school. You're right, I need to work on it for when I actually want the numbers, and I plan to make that a goal once I finish this one.

I remember Ever, I just didn't expect to still be pulling random guys into this. I'll go look at your BC posts, and like I said before, if you need any help or guidance, send me a PM and I'll do what I can. I'll be damned if I spend 2 more weeks on this sh!t. 5 left? School starts up again next week, I think it's about time I seriously brought this stuff there. Only reason I didn't before is because only every 1 in 15 girls are actually ****able at my school (damn you lucky community college/regular college bastards), but I can't let that stop me. If they have boyfriends, I'll just use them to fine tune my rapport skills. If they don't, then I'll add them to the rejection quota. I say that so in the rare chance that I do get a number, it's all good . Win-win situation, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Ever onward]

I'll be damned if I spend 2 more weeks on this sh!t. 5 left? School starts up again next week, I think it's about time I seriously brought this stuff there. Only reason I didn't before is because only every 1 in 15 girls are actually ****able at my school (damn you lucky community college/regular college bastards), but I can't let that stop me. If they have boyfriends, I'll just use them to fine tune my rapport skills. If they don't, then I'll add them to the rejection quota. I say that so in the rare chance that I do get a number, it's all good . Win-win situation, nothing wrong with that.

You're right, I never realized how lucky I am to go to a University. Every day I see hundreds of random girls which makes it easier to practice this stuff. All this time I didn't even consider them approachable because of my shyness and lack of social skillz. And yes most of them are very Fukkable. What kind of school do you go to btw?

See the thing is I would do awesome in week 4. I have like no game whatsoever and I could strike out on a consistant basis. But who knows, maybe if I keep studying threads on here about conversation/social-stuff/ and basically anything about how to attract a woman, maybe I'll see some progress.

later

 

[Seraph]

Sh!t, today kinda sucked. But I made the best of it.

I was planning on asking my co-worker out today, and so I wasn't really bothered with getting any other numbers. Not like there are any hot girls in my classes this quarter anyway . It's only been the second day, but since I only have 4 classes, and the way things are set up I've already been to all but one, and it's some " Intro to Math Concepts" class. And I don't have much hope for that. I've seen a few of the new chicks that don't look so bad, but the ones I'm actually around are f-ing blah. Most of the hot girls are Graphic Design majors, and I'm in animation- so Seraph =/= hot artsy girls.

Anyway, I go to work and find out that the kiosk (calander station) where I'm supposed to be working hasn't been set up yet, because the calanders got delayed and weren't going to be there until tonight. Because of this, people's schedules got mixed around and hectic stuff sprung up. I was planning to ask her out at the kiosk, because she was going to be working on it right before my shift. Now I won't see her until Thursday, unless something else happens . Moral of the story, don't wait for one specific girl to ask out. Sounds kind of stupid to say, but I guess after I got a few rejections on my belt this whole thing didn't seem as serious anymore, and I started to " settle" and focus on a few girls. Uh uh. Gotta throw that out the door. I'm not done yet, so I can't slack. I keep saying that, I wonder when I'll finally f-ing go through with it and ask out one of the hot girls at my school. Hell...so few of them, and it's always rare and random when I see them. Not to mention they go in flocks. Bah. Gotta stop the negative talk, and just always be prepared.

I tried to make up for it by working on some people skills while I was there. Might as well not let the day go to waste, right? So I worked on slowing the voice and deepning it when I had to call some people to let them know their books came in. People rush through talking so much, and are much more agreeable if you talk slowly and use basic manners.

That and I helped this one guy out, had a millitary haircut, medium build and all. Helped him find some books, chatted with him. Cool guy. He asked me " how did you end up working in a bookstore?" I told him that it's less stressful than being a waiter, and all that jazz, and he left soon after. It made me think..here I am, black guy, I don't dress like a thug but I still have the slightly black baggy jeans, relaxed white nike t-shirt on and white k-swiss. I looked at the other guy working that night and well...it was like the white version of steve urkel. I don't really feel like I fit in with the whole Gangsta image, but at the same time I don't fit in with the whole " bookstore nerd" image either. I just have to find my own place in the world, I guess. That and I have to connect with the people I work with more, especially the urkel guy. I'll try to find out more about his life next time I work with him. All I know is that he is 21, slightly pudgy, glasses and doesn't go to college, just works at the bookstore. Sorry I haven't been working as hard as EO or some of the others...I just...don't know. I really slowed down ever since I started getting these rejections. I'll have to ask apod about it. See if he went through the same stuff.

 

[Ever onward]

Hey man,

It's all good. I haven't spent much time studying lately and my grades are starting to slip. Everytime I go to that damn library all the girls distract me! LOL

Anyways, it's giving some of us a chance to catch up to you. We're all in this together.

 

[blue17]

an old forum rule - for every person that replies, there are 10 others that read it

Altho not EVERYONE is replying in this thread, but Seraph's daily journal are very inspirational to lots of people.

Am I going to sign up for 'boot camp' because of this example? No. Will I in my own sense try to become more outgoing and social towards girls? Definitely. I think there are others who feel this same way.

 

[Ever onward]

Bump

I have tried BC a few times by myself without posting about it but I could never motivate myself to get to the more difficult weeks.

After seeing Seraph overcome some of his fears approaching women, I joined right up.

 

[Seraph]

Woo hoo, got out of my last class two hours early today! Today didn't bring any rejections, but I've actually started some convo's today.

Morning class, I needed to scan in my work so I went up to the comp where the scanner was. Lo and Behold, a semi-hot girl! She seemed like a california girl (blonde, blue eyes) and had a bit too much makeup on for my normal tastes, but she had a pretty good ass so it's tolerable. She's at least good for practice, right? Anyway, while I wait I chat her up (name is Angela btw) and my friend David acts as a good wingman, we do some light C+F and get her laughing a bit. I didn't ask her name (stupid of me because it would have been nice kino intro) but I don't think it's too bad after only getting 4 hours of sleep yesterday. I couldn't get her number because the class was involved in this project literally right when I finished scanning, and she dipped out sometime after that. Why must the only semi hot girl sit in the front of the room

It's cool though, because we saw her later and she said hi/smile and all that jazz. I'll work on her later.

Two times in the elevator I started conversation and got everyone vibing good, but I still need to work on C+F with complete strange women. I still have that slight feeling of not wanting to push it too hard because I'll seem like an *******.

Nothing else happened today except on the metro, where I saw this foriegn chick with her bf. I did the sexual stare (she was actually nice enough to fvck right there) and she seemed to latch on me with eye contact. It's like her eyes were trying to pull away but kept coming back to rest on mine. Thinking of fvcking her, seeing her eyes go all fluttery like that actually almost got me horny- maybe she was surprised I would stare so openly at her while she was sitting next to her bf. He either didn't notice or didn't care. The sexual stare works, but you can't just pull it out anytime. At least I can't, not yet. There needs to be some really sexy thing about the girl that would get me into that mode. This girl for instance, I have no idea why, but I started to wonder what it would be like to hear her moan during sex. That just snowballed into some rated R stuff that obviously had her going as well

After a few more stops, this blonde came on. Age? Mid twenties, I would say. She was a solid 7 to me, could have been higher up but her haircut was a bob and ended around the bottom of her ears. Made her look a bit less girly than I would have liked. Anyway, this b!tch seemed like an attention ***** from the moment she got on. It's not that she had super revealing clothes on, it's just how she walked and stood. Like she was used to guys leering at her, and enjoyed it. We made eye contact, and I smiled at her. I got no smile in return, so I dismissed her and continued with the sexual stare game with the foreign chick. Every now and then, I started to notice that she would look a bit to the right of my head, and sometimes glance by my face when I looked in her direction. Like she was expecting me to check her out. I didn't even bother with her (trusted my gut for once) and sure enough, when I was walking to my car, I saw her get picked up by her boyfriend or hubby.

No rejections, but I'm getting back into the game. By the end of this week, I want to have asked out...2 girls. I know I'm going to ask out the girl at work tomorrow, but I should at least try for 1 more besides her. I'm not going to try to act big and say I'll ask out more because I honestly don't think I have the drive to go do those " ask out 4 girls in a day" things anymore. I'll check back with you guys later.

 

[HeimdallThorhammer]

Seraph,

A few posts ago you said this.

"Not letting go (might have been stupid of me) I ask her if she wanted to go out some time."


You did RIGHT.

Holding their hand is basic kino. By not quickly letting go, by delaying a bit more than someone would normally, you're showing that you're a sexual person - that you are comfortable touching women and LIKE touching women.

You did good, man. No worries.

 

[apodyopsis]

alright, time to play doctor/psychologist... seraph asked that i read through his more recent posts n to see if theres a definite reason why he doesnt have the motivation or drive that he used to have for this bootcamp. due to the high number of bootcamps arising, i decided to write a mini-post here. i know a lot of people read through seraphs, so hopefully this will benefit all the bootcampers.

now, like seraph said, he just doesnt care as much as he did when he started. i went through the same thing and am fighting it almost everyday. when you first do the bootcamp, you step out of your comfort zone, and go on these little tasks to break the silence barrier shared among strangers. it feels great to do that, and as you practice more, it makes talking to everyone easier, and people see that your friendly and so people will approach you more often. as you progress through the bootcamp, you make progress, and your happy that youve actually done something, that youve done some self-improvement. thats where the trap starts

when you get CONTENT with what small progress you have made, you let that become your comfort zone. remember how wierd it was when you first started your his and convos with strangers? that should be present at the beggining of each weak, cause it means your stepping out even further from your comfort zone and taking more strides towards becoming a dj.

now seraph, ive read through what you've been up to, and your still doin good. what i think is your main problem right now, is that your allowing what progress you have made to grow into a new comfort zone. you seem to be able to talk to girls, but you need to take it up a notch. like one of your quotes, "you will never reach your full potential if you lack self-discipline"

that couldnt be more right. youve made some improvements, but you need to keep going. and once htis bootcamp is over, it shouldnt end. your entire life you should strive to become a better person, until the day you die. discipline yourself to talk to girls, discipline yourself to not chicken out and step out of this new comfort zone and get some numbers, dates and so on. you can go out specifically for getting numbers, but ive found that the best opportunities happen during your regular day. keep yourself busy, go out, and take that chance. you need to find that motivation, it just seems like its died out.

dont fall into the trap of tomorro. you can always say that you'll do the BC the next day, and when that day comes u say it again. but what if you die in some car accident 5 years from now? tomorrow isnt guaranteed, and when your faced with death, no... if you were faced with death right NOW, would you be happy with how you've lived your life, and how your living it now? i made a huge list of things im going to do in my life, and thats assuming i live long and die of old age. one of my goals was to be an old man, thinking back at my youth and all the good times i had. i vowed that i will not pass up any great opportunity, for that old man would be dissapointed. i cant tell you how to motivate yourself, you have to find it. its easy for me since i got lucky, walked away from a car accident that coul dhave killed me with only bruises. find that motivation again, and master self-discipline. i love that quote, its pure gold.

i hope this helped a little, i can only offer you advice based off of my experience and what ive read from your bootcamp. if u wanna discuss this more, PM me. and everyone who reads this, this should help a good handful of ya, those who are doing the bootcamp and those who are just struggling with djism. read "the trap of tomorrow" i think it was, a good post in the bible. thats all ihave to say for now, im not the most experienced person on the board but hopefully some1 will benefit from this.