"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

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Sending allll the signals...but she has a BF

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I've got this friend of mine who about a year ago tried to start something with me, but I turned her down and for a while we didn't talk. A few months later she went out with another guy (who she is still with) but now she's started wanting to hangout with me.

I figured, okay why not she's nice. She has a boyfriend but we'll just watch a movie as friends or whatever.

Well we ended up on my coach and she was like, come sit with me..but she gave me very little space, forcing me to be right up against her legs. And one thing lead to another and she had my bent leg right up in between her legs and her legs were wrapped around me, her foot even resting on my crotch for a bit. It was all in all very intimate without being overtly sexual. Although, she did take my phone and hid it in her bra, which I would have taken as a sign that she wanted me to go for it, but she has a boyfriend so I didn't want to misinturprut and get a slap in the face.

So yeah...For me it would be painfully obvious what she wants, but it's just that she has a boyfriend. That's what is messing me here, I don't know what to think. She is a bit of an odd person, so could it just be all this physical contact means nothing and she is just actually a really (really) touchy feely person? Or is she trying to tell me she doesn't care about the boyfriend/plans to break up with him if I show some interest.

I'm getting her back at my place sometime this week, how should I play it guys?

So to sum up:
girl threw tonnes of kino at ME, including some overt stuff
girl has boyfriend

So the question is:
is she for real, or is she playing me?
 
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Seems to me she just wants a buddy, and is dangling the cookie just enough to keep you from wandering off.
 

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Honestly, I would just stay away. I knew a couple girls like that when I was in high school. They just love to play with you! Or just relize the fact your only friends.
 

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Sounds unanimous. I'll see her once again and test the waters, but if it is suspect, I'm out of there. I'm through being manipulated by women.
 

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Ok, so she has a BF...so what. Does that mean she can't be attracted to someone else. BF/GF title is a social construct.

The questions is..."ARE YOU WILLING TO ESCALATE IT WHILE SHE HAS A BF?"

I keep saying it over and over BFs don't matter it's up to the MAN to decide if he still wants to go with it.
 

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Snow Plowman said:
Ok, so she has a BF...so what. Does that mean she can't be attracted to someone else. BF/GF title is a social construct.

The questions is..."ARE YOU WILLING TO ESCALATE IT WHILE SHE HAS A BF?"

I keep saying it over and over BFs don't matter it's up to the MAN to decide if he still wants to go with it.
And its the girls decision whether she fvcks you or not. Lots of girls flirt with guys and all that but, never cheat.
 

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Seems to me is that she got with another guy to make you jealous...any girl who puts your phone in her bra wants you to squeeze her t!ts. Yes she wants you...yes she will cheat and go with you. She is probably thinking "What the fvck is wrong with this dude? Is he gay?" Most girls don't like not having a guy, so will find a guy and then break up with him. Just becareful she doesn't do the same to you. Most likely, if your an AFC...she will
 

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I.A.F.Y.B. said:
And its the girls decision whether she fvcks you or not. Lots of girls flirt with guys and all that but, never cheat.
Not really, because attraction is not a choice, when all the right stuff come together the girl wants the guy to have sex with her.

The thing though, she can't be held accountable for anything that happened to be her fault. Once it's like that then you'll lose her quick or she won't even go through with it.

This is why we LEAD the interaction FOREVER and never really make the chick lead unless its from a position of power, like they one a challenge so they can pick something or having her tell you the steps while you do it, or just making her do the whole thing.

You can't tell a girl lets go back to my house and fuk, instead you gotta say lets go see my pokemon cards because it can't be her fault as to why you both had sex.

So basically the MAN has to take full responsiblity of everything, who starts conversation, who escalates, who chooses where they go, who extracts home, who leads it to sex.

Lots of girls do flirt with guys but the never cheat because majority of guys wouldn't even know how to move it to sex. It's like saying "PICKUP" is dumb because everyone is having sex, but everyone doesn't have sex 1-2 days of meeting a chick, instead they are having sex 1-2 months and sometimes years before having sex.

I like to think of it from the AFC reality and a guy who gets it reality. It's subtly diffferent as the guy who gets it understand how women work meanwhile the AFC is just dabbling around hoping for luck to go on there side. There are some who naturally do some things right and still ends up gett alot of chicks.

The funniest thing to experience escalating to sex very fast and hearing a chick saying "I'm not doing..." "I'm not going with you too..." "Were not having sex", "Don't think were doing anything". Then all of a sudden "How did this happen?" She's now backwards rationalizing how this sex happened because like they always say "I normally never do this" which is mainly true because not too many guys can do that consistently.
 

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Snow Plowman said:
Not really, because attraction is not a choice, when all the right stuff come together the girl wants the guy to have sex with her.

The thing though, she can't be held accountable for anything that happened to be her fault. Once it's like that then you'll lose her quick or she won't even go through with it.

This is why we LEAD the interaction FOREVER and never really make the chick lead unless its from a position of power, like they one a challenge so they can pick something or having her tell you the steps while you do it, or just making her do the whole thing.

You can't tell a girl lets go back to my house and fuk, instead you gotta say lets go see my pokemon cards because it can't be her fault as to why you both had sex.

So basically the MAN has to take full responsiblity of everything, who starts conversation, who escalates, who chooses where they go, who extracts home, who leads it to sex.

Lots of girls do flirt with guys but the never cheat because majority of guys wouldn't even know how to move it to sex. It's like saying "PICKUP" is dumb because everyone is having sex, but everyone doesn't have sex 1-2 days of meeting a chick, instead they are having sex 1-2 months and sometimes years before having sex.

I like to think of it from the AFC reality and a guy who gets it reality. It's subtly diffferent as the guy who gets it understand how women work meanwhile the AFC is just dabbling around hoping for luck to go on there side. There are some who naturally do some things right and still ends up gett alot of chicks.

The funniest thing to experience escalating to sex very fast and hearing a chick saying "I'm not doing..." "I'm not going with you too..." "Were not having sex", "Don't think were doing anything". Then all of a sudden "How did this happen?" She's now backwards rationalizing how this sex happened because like they always say "I normally never do this" which is mainly true because not too many guys can do that consistently.
I will agree with you on most of this. But, my opinion is this.

Yes, guys like us who know how to attract women can get her to cheat. Because, we can be the better catch and better guy. But, DEPENDING on the girl and her relationship. It is HER final decision to be faithful or unfaithful to her boyfriend.

You could get some girls panties steaming hot and ready to fvck you. You can start escalating by kissing and touching. Then, she can say stop! I have a boyfriend. Or stop you before you even reach that point. Or she could just go along with it cause she wants to.

I still say it's the girls decision whether she cheats or not.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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