Self-control in intimacy and attachment

Radninja

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An idea I read earlier in a masturbation context, which caused me to think of it's deeper applications in other areas:

...by acting on a desire you are increasing it, and therefore binding yourself to it rather than becoming your own master...
[self-control] makes you master of what you do, rather than feeling like you have to do something because you feel a certain way.
Throughout my experience with abstinence from masturbation, I tried to think of not craving the need to beat off -- by mentally eliminating the need for a physical rush of ejaculation in front of porn. And it worked! You train your mind to just "let go" and release the mental grip of the subconscious need to fu!k into a higher ground of self-control over your actions. Over and over again. The added benefit is that each day you get more sexual energy, and when you're actually flirting with girls, you use it in a productive way to do the mating dance.

Now, I want to talk about this same kind of self-control applied in a slightly different way. Chiefly in relation to intimacy and attachment to a potential awesome girl that you just met. Here's what I'm driving at: some (or many) of us have trouble staying congruent and keeping away from oneitis after we meet a super cute, smart, and fascinating girl who is unlike any other (or so we think). This feeling of "holy sh*t" is not only our desire to get in her pants and give her that daily d!ck dose, but also to reach an idealized level of intimacy and attachment that we might have. While we're in the middle of our interactions with her, it's tough to keep a sober mind and separate our neurotic romanticized version of the partner we think she may be from the real her. Our eagerness and excitement that she may fulfill some deeper level of intimacy we are idealizing can sabotage the true reality of things and spontaneity of the moment.

Think of these longing feelings of attachment and intimacy as a higher level of neuroticism than just a pure need to fu!k. It may not be just being a dog, but this non-reality thinking and over-obsession doesn't make you less AFC. In fact, it is exactly what makes you one. So here's the rub: keep that sh!t in check! How do you do it? With the same self-control mentality you use to keep your other feelings in check.

First step is awareness. Have you ever felt oneitis? How did it feel? Have you ever felt regret for loosing the girl over some screw-up in the frame? Why did you feel that way? Because she could potentially be "the one" and you weren't at the proper level of congruency with her to engage that necessary intimacy. The irony here is that a level of appropriate intimacy and attachment only comes when you can function in the real world: actually listen to the girl and see her for who she is -- her virtues and fallacies, accept her for her, and pimp accordingly. In this mindset, you must have a great level of self-awareness, and acknowledge whether the real you and real her would actually develop into a connection.

The central idea is to reach a sufficient level of self awareness of your own idealized intimacy/attachment in a partner, and to be able to say no to it over and over again, until you train yourself to see things for what they are, past your ego's longings and wants. Become the master of your actions, not a slave to your feelings. Conquer yourself to be congruent, spontaneous, and fluid in the real world.
 

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I can definitely relate to this. I think it's all part of the same "you are what you do" mentality as with the masturbation.

It's a dark irony that our feelings of attachment for a girl almost completely destroy the sexual tension, because we're too busy fantasizing about who she might be and not thinking in the moment.

I agree that self-awareness is important to avoid slipping into this behavior.

However, as I've said before, by raising our REAL VALUE and having REAL OPTIONS we should be able to keep these feelings of attachment at bay permanently.

Good thread.
 

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Radninja said:
An idea I read earlier in a masturbation context, which caused me to think of it's deeper applications in other areas:



Throughout my experience with abstinence from masturbation, I tried to think of not craving the need to beat off -- by mentally eliminating the need for a physical rush of ejaculation in front of porn. And it worked! You train your mind to just "let go" and release the mental grip of the subconscious need to fu!k into a higher ground of self-control over your actions. Over and over again. The added benefit is that each day you get more sexual energy, and when you're actually flirting with girls, you use it in a productive way to do the mating dance.

Now, I want to talk about this same kind of self-control applied in a slightly different way. Chiefly in relation to intimacy and attachment to a potential awesome girl that you just met. Here's what I'm driving at: some (or many) of us have trouble staying congruent and keeping away from oneitis after we meet a super cute, smart, and fascinating girl who is unlike any other (or so we think). This feeling of "holy sh*t" is not only our desire to get in her pants and give her that daily d!ck dose, but also to reach an idealized level of intimacy and attachment that we might have. While we're in the middle of our interactions with her, it's tough to keep a sober mind and separate our neurotic romanticized version of the partner we think she may be from the real her. Our eagerness and excitement that she may fulfill some deeper level of intimacy we are idealizing can sabotage the true reality of things and spontaneity of the moment.

Think of these longing feelings of attachment and intimacy as a higher level of neuroticism than just a pure need to fu!k. It may not be just being a dog, but this non-reality thinking and over-obsession doesn't make you less AFC. In fact, it is exactly what makes you one. So here's the rub: keep that sh!t in check! How do you do it? With the same self-control mentality you use to keep your other feelings in check.

First step is awareness. Have you ever felt oneitis? How did it feel? Have you ever felt regret for loosing the girl over some screw-up in the frame? Why did you feel that way? Because she could potentially be "the one" and you weren't at the proper level of congruency with her to engage that necessary intimacy. The irony here is that a level of appropriate intimacy and attachment only comes when you can function in the real world: actually listen to the girl and see her for who she is -- her virtues and fallacies, accept her for her, and pimp accordingly. In this mindset, you must have a great level of self-awareness, and acknowledge whether the real you and real her would actually develop into a connection.

The central idea is to reach a sufficient level of self awareness of your own idealized intimacy/attachment in a partner, and to be able to say no to it over and over again, until you train yourself to see things for what they are, past your ego's longings and wants. Become the master of your actions, not a slave to your feelings. Conquer yourself to be congruent, spontaneous, and fluid in the real world.
I would be very interested in learning about your techniques to avoid whacking off. I don't believe that jerking off is in any way unhealthy, but I would like to gain enough self control that I could quit. If you can control such a powerful urge, you probably have the ability to control many other urges in life and have greater control over your own destiny.

I tend to be a pretty impulsive person. It's very difficult for me to resist urges. If I don't feel like studying, I can't for the life of me make myself study. Right now, I'm actually studying for a big exam and the studying is coming PAINFULLY slow. It's just extremely difficult for me to resist the temptation to do other things.
 

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Radninja said:
An idea I read earlier in a masturbation context, which caused me to think of it's deeper applications in other areas:



Throughout my experience with abstinence from masturbation, I tried to think of not craving the need to beat off -- by mentally eliminating the need for a physical rush of ejaculation in front of porn. And it worked! You train your mind to just "let go" and release the mental grip of the subconscious need to fu!k into a higher ground of self-control over your actions. Over and over again. The added benefit is that each day you get more sexual energy, and when you're actually flirting with girls, you use it in a productive way to do the mating dance.

Now, I want to talk about this same kind of self-control applied in a slightly different way. Chiefly in relation to intimacy and attachment to a potential awesome girl that you just met. Here's what I'm driving at: some (or many) of us have trouble staying congruent and keeping away from oneitis after we meet a super cute, smart, and fascinating girl who is unlike any other (or so we think). This feeling of "holy sh*t" is not only our desire to get in her pants and give her that daily d!ck dose, but also to reach an idealized level of intimacy and attachment that we might have. While we're in the middle of our interactions with her, it's tough to keep a sober mind and separate our neurotic romanticized version of the partner we think she may be from the real her. Our eagerness and excitement that she may fulfill some deeper level of intimacy we are idealizing can sabotage the true reality of things and spontaneity of the moment.

Think of these longing feelings of attachment and intimacy as a higher level of neuroticism than just a pure need to fu!k. It may not be just being a dog, but this non-reality thinking and over-obsession doesn't make you less AFC. In fact, it is exactly what makes you one. So here's the rub: keep that sh!t in check! How do you do it? With the same self-control mentality you use to keep your other feelings in check.

First step is awareness. Have you ever felt oneitis? How did it feel? Have you ever felt regret for loosing the girl over some screw-up in the frame? Why did you feel that way? Because she could potentially be "the one" and you weren't at the proper level of congruency with her to engage that necessary intimacy. The irony here is that a level of appropriate intimacy and attachment only comes when you can function in the real world: actually listen to the girl and see her for who she is -- her virtues and fallacies, accept her for her, and pimp accordingly. In this mindset, you must have a great level of self-awareness, and acknowledge whether the real you and real her would actually develop into a connection.

The central idea is to reach a sufficient level of self awareness of your own idealized intimacy/attachment in a partner, and to be able to say no to it over and over again, until you train yourself to see things for what they are, past your ego's longings and wants. Become the master of your actions, not a slave to your feelings. Conquer yourself to be congruent, spontaneous, and fluid in the real world.
Dude, wtf are you trying to do here?? What the hell are you talking about? This sounds like an engineering project you're working on. Its just girls dude, just go get em. Its ok to be a bit nervous, or act a little weird. Bro, this is ridiculous.
 

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lakeshore said:
Dude, wtf are you trying to do here?? What the hell are you talking about? This sounds like an engineering project you're working on. Its just girls dude, just go get em. Its ok to be a bit nervous, or act a little weird. Bro, this is ridiculous.
If it was as simple as "just girls dude" this forum wouldn't even exist.

While I agree that we shouldn't over-analyze, I think what the OP is saying is once you've GOT the girl you have to be careful not to idealize her and start seeing her as something she's not. You've got to keep control over yourself.

I've got the girl before, and then started getting attached and seeing all her good points but ignoring the bad - oneitis basically.

Getting the girl is actually the easy part - keeping her is a whole other ball game.
 

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I agree with the OP.

It has become very clear to me lately that when one is in a relationship, self-awareness is vital to avoid losing yourself and falling into oneitis. Recognize all feelings for their transient nature and do not identify with them.

Self control is of paramount importance. Never again am I going to fall into these traps.
 

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Achille said:
Is attachment bad ?

Isn't how we are programmed ?

If so,can we really go against that & would it cause frustrations to not surrender to those feelings of attachment ?
Some attachment is unavoidable just by the meer fact that you share some good times and form an emotional bond in time. But when you are so attached that you think the other person is your reason for living and that without them you cannot function that becomes a problem.Read the book " codependent no more" it talks about attatchment both good and bad.
 

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Hey, long time reader, first time poster.

Hmm well although I agree you need to excersise some control over acts of desperation etc, this should really come naturally to you through your experiences with women. There's no harm in fluffing things up with a few girls, it's all a learning experience. And the likelihood is those early conquests won't be what you want in the long run anyway.

Bottom line is, to get the girl you can do it without being yourself, but when you get her if she doesn't like the real you then you're going to fail.

Luckily any amount of personality deficit can be compensated for quite heavily by a knowledge, understanding and application of good sexual techniques, since a vast number of guys are very selfish in the bedroom this gives you a considerable edge. So get her into bed and you're 75% of the way there :)
 

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Good points guys. I've actually reached a few milestones since this post. Yes, being congruent to yourself is key. I've found that premature/unhealthy attachment to a new girl can be conterbalanced with understanding what needs are being mutually fulfilled in the relationship and what value we are both providing. Shifting the paradigm from dependence to mutual fun helps a lot. So does spinning more plates.

Cheers guys. Here's to great weather, life and women!
 
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