"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Seeding and breeding - way to keep and reap

Robert28

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Okay, I'll play along....

Keeping a woman is SO important that I'm supposed to lock myself into raising a kid with her just for the purpose of keeping her in my life? It's a woman. There are PLENTY of them. And if you're attractive, have some game, and take care of yourself, you'll always have a choice of women.

Also:

A- there are plenty of single moms out there banging new dudes. Having a child does not guarantee a lifelong commitment to each other.

B- just because I like a girl today doesn't mean that I'll like her for the 18 years that I'll be raising this child

So, having this child only ensures that I'm on the hook to pay for a child. It doesn't ensure that I'll keep the woman.
it does and it doesn't. sure the single mom will always go out on some dates, get banged, maybe even date a few guys for a couple months. BUT the one thing I can promise you without a shadow of a doubt is that SHE WILL NEVER COMPLETELY CUT OUT THE GUY WHO KNOCKED HER UP OUT OF HER LIFE. sure she'll b!tch, moan, and complain about the very thought of him and how much he disgusts her, but she never truly cuts him out of her life 100%. women are weird about wanting to keep the father in the life of their child even if that father is a total bum. they go on spells of cutting contact with the father for a month or two but they always go back. maybe not to get back together but because the guilt of "keeping the child away from the father" gets to them eventually. that's where you as the guy who tries to date a single mom gets the short end of the stick. when you sign up for her you also get the kid AND the father. good luck with that.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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And yet for the umpteenth time a girl will always complain about the douchebags, jerks and deadbeats in their lives but fvck and serve them hand and foot anyways....

He may not be a role model in terms of career success, but this is a 42 year old who managed to get a 27 year old and get her to dedicate her life to him. That is alpha.

So your definition of alpha is getting women to serve you? Despite all the whining on SoSuave, women aren't these mythological creatures. You could go out right now and find some broad to serve you. Whether or not she's a girl you REALLY want is a different story...
 

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Robert28 said:
it does and it doesn't. sure the single mom will always go out on some dates, get banged, maybe even date a few guys for a couple months. BUT the one thing I can promise you without a shadow of a doubt is that SHE WILL NEVER COMPLETELY CUT OUT THE GUY WHO KNOCKED HER UP OUT OF HER LIFE. sure she'll b!tch, moan, and complain about the very thought of him and how much he disgusts her, but she never truly cuts him out of her life 100%. women are weird about wanting to keep the father in the life of their child even if that father is a total bum. they go on spells of cutting contact with the father for a month or two but they always go back. maybe not to get back together but because the guilt of "keeping the child away from the father" gets to them eventually. that's where you as the guy who tries to date a single mom gets the short end of the stick. when you sign up for her you also get the kid AND the father. good luck with that.
Yeah but is that really the case? The ghettos and trailer parks around this country are full of women who are having their 4th and 5th child by the 3rd or 4th man.

You're making it sound as if children are "man repellant". For guys like you and me, who might be a little more career-minded and ambitious, that is true.

There are plenty of guys who are just happy to have a girl in their life (the type of guy who'd knock a chick up just to keep her). And that type of guy won't think twice to date this type of woman. He just wants someone to come home to..

Sure the fathers will always be in the mothers life. But not in the sense that you're dating her, having sex with, and having any kind of beneficial relationship with her.
 

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Yeah but is that really the case? The ghettos and trailer parks around this country are full of women who are having their 4th and 5th child by the 3rd or 4th man.

You're making it sound as if children are "man repellant". For guys like you and me, who might be a little more career-minded and ambitious, that is true.

There are plenty of guys who are just happy to have a girl in their life (the type of guy who'd knock a chick up just to keep her). And that type of guy won't think twice to date this type of woman. He just wants someone to come home to..

Sure the fathers will always be in the mothers life. But not in the sense that you're dating her, having sex with, and having any kind of beneficial relationship with her.
I can honestly say that I don't go searching ghetto's and trailer parks for women to date.lol
 

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tonybaloney,so just because someone doesn't agree with you makes him an idiot. anyhow i think i'll stay out of this thread now cos i just realised i've wasted about 20 mins of my life trying to having a conversation with a guy whose idea of a rolemodel is a man who sits at home all day killing rats with hammers. Lol
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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TonyBaloney said:
Just reading another of Nismos pessismistic blogs, and it occurred to me that all of this dj stuff NEVER EVER takes into account the womens PRIMARY goal of being bred. That once that happens, you pretty much got em under lock and key.

A good friend was fooked over by his ex wife, and many subsequent women. He hit the gym BIG TIME and met a girl 14 years his junior, who after her rejecting him for 6 months and him having ABSOLUTE perserverance, she relented....he quick time knocked her up, acts like the total alpha b'stard with her, and she loves it, and he never gives an inch. Hes between ug and handsome (kinda hard white boxer look) 5'8, 42, and shes 27.... He's tottaly broke, they rent a flat, maxed out her credit card... buyin him a work van (but there is little work at the mo) so they subsist on welfare/borrowing from her folks.... when they met SHE had savings, a car, a job and now she has none of those and i know shes HAPPY with baby and my bud....... We know the word here.......ALPHA
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WTF did I just read?! My god, for you to value (even admire) a guy who is a total loser, excesses baggage is just sad. Kudoos to the guy for finally succeeding with a hot young thing after 6 months of not giving up, but leading her to have everything then nothing is a fudge pop shame. And by Alpha if you mean pre historic caveman then for sure you're right.
 

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ArcBound said:
And yet for the umpteenth time a girl will always complain about the douchebags, jerks and deadbeats in their lives but fvck and serve them hand and foot anyways....

He may not be a role model in terms of career success, but this is a 42 year old who managed to get a 27 year old and get her to dedicate her life to him. That is alpha.

Don't want to be mean, so won't voice the first thought that came to mind after reading this load of dunky poop. No pun intended.

To "manage" to get a young lady to serve you hand and foot should be fudge sick illegal. It's wrong on so many levels of can't even begin to describe. Yes, I've had had and have girls serve me, rub my feet, cook me food, give me back rubs, etc but I have given this girls great value in exchange in the form of adoration, advise, inspiration, excitement, joy, seduction, passionate, great sex, etc. I have earned the fruits of my labor.

Funny thing about your comment is that in my experience being a jerk has never worked. Strange how people keep saying that only jerks or badboys get the girls when the opposite has been true for me and evidently so many others I see on a daily basis. If you saw the number of goergous women with plain boy look alikes you're notions of the jerks might just change.
 

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perseverance said:
He definitely sounds like someone every man should aspire to be like...:)crackup:)

haha, that sarcasm was great. Will start replying to ridiculous posts like that, gives it the importance it deserves.
 

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d!ckmojo said:
Imagine society fell apart tomorrow. Or, imagine its the London riots last year. Who is the alpha now? The weedy, cerebral investment banker who earns $200K per year, or the unemployed muscled up Afro- Caribbean dude mugging him with a knife?
Holy ****! Still can't believe my eyes! Hmm, adapt much lately lol.
 

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TonyBaloney said:
I bet many of the sissys on here who scorn him, are the very ones going on PUA bootcamps, buying "learn how to be an alpha" and are generally very sensible in life - doing the right thing.....or just trying to have a gameplan - TO BUILD THE LOW CONFIDENCE IN THEMSELVES.
Hmm, wrong. Never went to a bootcamp, read only one seduction book, approach women every time I see one, meet a new girl almost every time I go out, just had amazing sex with my ex, smoke pot on occasion, got in a fight a few months back, have a rap sheet from here to alaska(don't worry, from being a trouble making growing up haha), no game plan I just do it, fudged up 3 of my lasts pick ups (back to back) but don't care will meet a new one tomorrow, have my own business, my own place, I'M LIVING IT. Am on here to help others. Lease I can do for the success I've had and continue to experience with beautiful, sexy women.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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ArcBound said:
..they then might see the bigger picture. That you don't need money, you don't some respectable job in society, you don't need to date someone your age, you don't need to be good looking.
No, I see the picture.. it's just not big enough for me.
 

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Robert28 said:
it does and it doesn't. sure the single mom will always go out on some dates, get banged, maybe even date a few guys for a couple months. BUT the one thing I can promise you without a shadow of a doubt is that SHE WILL NEVER COMPLETELY CUT OUT THE GUY WHO KNOCKED HER UP OUT OF HER LIFE. sure she'll b!tch, moan, and complain about the very thought of him and how much he disgusts her, but she never truly cuts him out of her life 100%. women are weird about wanting to keep the father in the life of their child even if that father is a total bum. they go on spells of cutting contact with the father for a month or two but they always go back. maybe not to get back together but because the guilt of "keeping the child away from the father" gets to them eventually. that's where you as the guy who tries to date a single mom gets the short end of the stick. when you sign up for her you also get the kid AND the father. good luck with that.
Come on bro, that doesn't apply to all single moms. Life isn't that simple. I know one who cut out the guy who got her pregnat for another guy cause she knew the other guy could be a better father. So it all depends.
 

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So many of you berating a fellow player.

All this s hite coming from guys actively involved in banging as much poon as possible - just because the guy is on tin pan alley in the jobs department - your critisizing him. Or is it that he impregnates his woman???? I never said he went out to deliberately do it just to get the girl, what I did point out was that he is an Alpha by his actions.

All of you wannabe playboys with names like love shogun, ladyzman, robert ;) really need to get a grip and accept that alot of men get women by being b'stards and morally irresponsible based on `female` moral codes that have been inserted into you - Andy has 4 kids including this new one, and is like our hunter gatherer ancestors on the savannah - he aint like you moisturizing, eyebrow plucking, femiboys - OK?
 

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So many of you berating a fellow player.

All this s hite coming from guys actively involved in banging as much poon as possible - just because the guy is on tin pan alley in the jobs department - your critisizing him. Or is it that he impregnates his woman???? I never said he went out to deliberately do it just to get the girl, what I did point out was that he is an Alpha by his actions.

All of you wannabe playboys with names like love shogun, ladyzman, robert ;) really need to get a grip and accept that alot of men get women by being b'stards and morally irresponsible based on `female` moral codes that have been inserted into you - Andy has 4 kids including this new one, and is like our hunter gatherer ancestors on the savannah - he aint like you moisturizing, eyebrow plucking, femiboys - OK?
He mad, bros.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Thats a very adult response to a reasonable inquiry.....

If you are to disagree with me, or call me a name, at least be educated enough to give reasons - it seems rather mad to throw out s hit for no good reason.


As far as the debate is concerned, there you have it, a brief glimpse into Andy. Somebody y'all never have the priveledge to meet. He's a hell of a guy. One of the best guys i've ever met in my life. Likes home, family, having a beer, trying his best to make ends meet in a cruel and hostile world. I could tell you many funny stories of the capers that w've got up too, but I wont as he's been labelled for following his human instinct, and procreated - I'd like to remind you of some words from the bible "go forth, and multiply" ;)
 

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TonyBaloney said:
Thats a very adult response to a reasonable inquiry.....

If you are to disagree with me, or call me a name, at least be educated enough to give reasons - it seems rather mad to throw out s hit for no good reason.


As far as the debate is concerned, there you have it, a brief glimpse into Andy. Somebody y'all never have the priveledge to meet. He's a hell of a guy. One of the best guys i've ever met in my life. Likes home, family, having a beer, trying his best to make ends meet in a cruel and hostile world. I could tell you many funny stories of the capers that w've got up too, but I wont as he's been labelled for following his human instinct, and procreated - I'd like to remind you of some words from the bible "go forth, and multiply" ;)
He reminds me of a guy I used to work with named Bill Brasky. He once punched a hole through a cow just to see to the other side.
 

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Funny how Nismo is nowhere to be found in this thread too add his "looks, money and having a fancy car blah blah matter!" :rolleyes:

The Alpha "Kool aide" has reachd a all time high in the seduction industry (manosphere blogs included). It's truly quite distburting how so many men are "obessed" with being "Alpha" . The straw men arguments and just constant ring-a-round the rosie mental masterbuation.

meh, I'll come back in another 6 months, but I doubt it.....
 

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to me alpha , is having balls , and sticking up for yourself and others you care about , dosnt mean i gotta be a douche or rich , ill just be the best man i can be , a alpha
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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