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Seduction materials can only help so much

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I've been reading seduction materials for probably the last 5-6 years. My game still isn't great. Don't get me wrong, I've dated girls in between that time and gotten laid and stuff, and I've improved. But I don't think my outer game has changed drastically.

I think many of us get sucked in and feel like we need to read every piece of PUA material we can find and feel like we can master this stuff just be reading all the newsletters, blogs, forums and now we are these wise guys that know the game in and out. It can become like a trap and you get sucked in. First thing you do in the morning and read some guru's blog looking for the latest, greatest "technique" that's supposed to get you laid. It's easy to start thinking that the source of your problems is that you don't have enough information. Information however isn't as important as you may think. In fact, too much of it starts to lead to analysis paralysis.

I've come to the conclusion that game simply can't be taught. You can give people guidelines, tell them some basic Do's and Don't's and give them a general framework to help guide them along, but actual game and how to create attraction in a woman just can't be taught, it can only come from experience. I think you can liken learning game to learning how to drive. Before you are allowed to get into a car and drive you are given a bunch of materials to learn. You have to learn the rules of the road obviously, what you can do and what you can't do behind the wheel. But reading the driving materials only tells you what the boundaries are, it doesn't actually teach you how to THINK when you're in spontaneous situations behind the wheel. It doesn't tell you what to do when you're going 80mph down the freeway and an 18 wheeler swerves and loses control right in front of you. You simply have to react and don't have time to think about what you read. It has to be instinctual. That kind of sh*t just cannot be taught. You can't learn how to drive by reading about driving. You can only learn by doing it until it becomes 2nd nature.

I think guys just getting started will be best off maybe picking 2 good books, maybe 3 tops on developing inner game and that's it. If there's anything the reading materials are good for, it's helping you to realize where you've gone wrong in your approach to life and becoming a more dominant, assertive, complete man. Fck the routines and canned openers. If you don't have the inner game together, you will look like an idiot using routines and canned material.

That's my advice to newbies just getting started. I wish I could go back and change a few things. I wouldn't have wasted so much time with learning materials. You quickly reach a point of diminishing returns with that stuff. After you've learned some basics, you got to get out in the field right away. Don't get sucked into the trap of reading forums and blogs endlessly.
 

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speakeasy said:
I've been reading seduction materials for probably the last 5-6 years. My game still isn't great. Don't get me wrong, I've dated girls in between that time and gotten laid and stuff, and I've improved. But I don't think my outer game has changed drastically.

What do you mean by "outer" game? you do know outer game in the community is defined as your attire (avatar) and lines etc etc right?
I think many of us get sucked in and feel like we need to read every piece of PUA material we can find and feel like we can master this stuff just be reading all the newsletters, blogs, forums and now we are these wise guys that know the game in and out. It can become like a trap and you get sucked in. First thing you do in the morning and read some guru's blog looking for the latest, greatest "technique" that's supposed to get you laid. It's easy to start thinking that the source of your problems is that you don't have enough information. Information however isn't as important as you may think. In fact, too much of it starts to lead to analysis paralysis.
Bingo, that's why you hit the field. I've read some junk here even by some of the so called "legends" which now would be considered outdated in the game (For instance Anti-dump's deal on only getting girls home numbers, 85% of girls don't have that no more unless she lives with her moms). The thing is you have to go out there and learn for yourself. When I read some posts last year I thought "wow this hard, I'm never gonna laid by my dream girl :rolleyes: " it's a crock of shiit, hit the field with all the passion, and zest you got and ACCEPT that you are gonna make mistakes but as long as you learn it will be a lesson!
I've come to the conclusion that game simply can't be taught. You can give people guidelines, tell them some basic Do's and Don't's and give them a general framework to help guide them along,
but actual game and how to create attraction in a woman just can't be taught, it can only come from experience. I think you can liken learning game to learning how to drive. Before you are allowed to get into a car and drive you are given a bunch of materials to learn. You have to learn the rules of the road obviously, what you can do and what you can't do behind the wheel. But reading the driving materials only tells you what the boundaries are, it doesn't actually teach you how to THINK when you're in spontaneous situations behind the wheel. It doesn't tell you what to do when you're going 80mph down the freeway and an 18 wheeler swerves and loses control right in front of you. You simply have to react and don't have time to think about what you read. It has to be instinctual. That kind of sh*t just cannot be taught. You can't learn how to drive by reading about driving. You can only learn by doing it until it becomes 2nd nature.

This shiit, should be looked as a training wheel or like you said a "guideline" everyone is different, to try to teach ever nauisce(sp) is impossible. Even though guys like Mystery try to make this "logic" attraction isn't a logicially deal. Attraction is emotional/psyhical. To try to teach someone how to be spotaneous and witty can be done, but learning this on your own is fundmental. I agree if you got great Inner game anything can work, but it's gotta be congruent to you. The thing is, if you really think "everthing" can be taught then your mistaken(I agree with you on that). However if' it's congruent then anything can work. i laugh when people say Mystery method can't work or a certain method can't work, let me explain. IT's congruent to that guy(mystery) so it works for him, it may not work for you or me(defitnley not me). But it works for him, this is why the routines and crap are a guide to control the frame. I prefer to freeflow and that can't be taught beause you just being spontanous and "gaming" in the moment, even the girl doesn't know what to expect because everything is happening on the spot, that is what makes this shiit fun for me

That's my advice to newbies just getting started. I wish I could go back and change a few things. I wouldn't have wasted so much time with learning materials. You quickly reach a point of diminishing returns with that stuff. After you've learned some basics, you got to get out in the field right away. Don't get sucked into the trap of reading forums and blogs endlessly.
Speakeasy, I agree with the last part a 100%
You can learn SOOOOOO much more going out and tryng stuff. Half the shiit that guys tell you to do. you won't even need to do to get girls/laid. If you take care of yourself, your confident, charming, can convey your personality in a postive way. It's that easy. Lot of stuff is "training wheels" though to get guys in the right directions. Although some guys get suckered in various methods which cause "analysis by paraylsis" or "over thinking" anyway Good thread

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Solomon said:
What do you mean by "outer" game? you do know outer game in the community is defined as your attire (avatar) and lines etc etc right?
By outer game I mean ability seduce a woman with words, kino escalate effectively, build attraction in a girl. That sort of thing.

You see, I'm finding out it's not good enough to make no mistakes. If you make no mistakes, you will not necessarily attract a girl. You have to not only get rid of your negatives, but also have positives. Having your **** together alone isn't enough to build attraction. You have to go beyond that. I'm still working on that part of the game.
 
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