"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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second date... wont be drunk this time.

tony-montana

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met her last night. we got a bit drunk. parked up at some hang out place at a park. it took me ages to make a move cause she didnt make it easy. kept talking about un interesting sh!t but i listened and pretended i cared. so i started massaging her (usually that gets them in the mood) and i went for a piss and came back... kissed her a bit. at one stage of when we were making out she stopped me i think she thought i was tryin to grab her tits i was goin to grab her face. but she stopped me and said "no wait..." i said what... she says "we're friends yeah? friends dont do this" - i said "sure .. friends kiss." and she said "oh okay then i guess ill start kissing all my friends" and we made out some more.

so im not sure if it was just the alcohol in her letting me kiss her? or she did like me? she did say she enjoyed the night and let me kiss her again when i said goodbye. but fuk she loved my massage .. said i had good hands :p

i said gimme a kiss for that massage and she said no i dont have to (laughed) and i said come on... so she kissed my cheek and i said nooo a proper one. so she did it again and i turned my head and kissed her mouth.

today she wants to go see a movie with me and shes bringing alcohol in there lol. and we gonna go clubbing on weekend.

anyway... tonight, should i try make more moves like grab her tits? or is it too early. didnt get the feeling she'd let me do it last night.

damn what a night!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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tony-montana said:
met her last night. we got a bit drunk. parked up at some hang out place at a park. it took me ages to make a move cause she didnt make it easy. kept talking about un interesting sh!t but i listened and pretended i cared. so i started massaging her (usually that gets them in the mood) and i went for a piss and came back... kissed her a bit. at one stage of when we were making out she stopped me i think she thought i was tryin to grab her tits i was goin to grab her face. but she stopped me and said "no wait..." i said what... she says "we're friends yeah? friends dont do this" - i said "sure .. friends kiss." and she said "oh okay then i guess ill start kissing all my friends" and we made out some more.

so im not sure if it was just the alcohol in her letting me kiss her? or she did like me? she did say she enjoyed the night and let me kiss her again when i said goodbye. but fuk she loved my massage .. said i had good hands :p

i said gimme a kiss for that massage and she said no i dont have to (laughed) and i said come on... so she kissed my cheek and i said nooo a proper one. so she did it again and i turned my head and kissed her mouth.

today she wants to go see a movie with me and shes bringing alcohol in there lol. and we gonna go clubbing on weekend.

anyway... tonight, should i try make more moves like grab her tits? or is it too early. didnt get the feeling she'd let me do it last night.

damn what a night!

Yeah dude, I wouldn't know where to begin on answering your questions. It's a very confusing situation which sucks to be in. On one hand she LET you make out with her(but at the same time put up resistance, not good), yet on the other, she wouldn't kiss you on the lips when you were saying your "goodbyes". It's very possible she let you make out with her because she was drunk or because she's just passive and doesn't know how to say "no" to a guy. Me personally, I'd throw her to the curb and see if she pursues ME. Do that and see what happens. If she pursues you and gives you the impression that she wants you, then I'd re-establish contact with her. But, I mean, who knows, if she decides to chase you, she could be chasing you because she wants the attention and is no more than an attention wh*re...so be careful with that too. But at this point, don't even bother with her, until you get the impression(if that ever happens) that she's actually interested.
 

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tony-montana said:
met her last night. we got a bit drunk. parked up at some hang out place at a park. it took me ages to make a move cause she didnt make it easy. kept talking about un interesting sh!t but i listened and pretended i cared. so i started massaging her (usually that gets them in the mood) and i went for a piss and came back... kissed her a bit. at one stage of when we were making out she stopped me i think she thought i was tryin to grab her tits i was goin to grab her face. but she stopped me and said "no wait..." i said what... she says "we're friends yeah? friends dont do this" - i said "sure .. friends kiss." and she said "oh okay then i guess ill start kissing all my friends" and we made out some more.

so im not sure if it was just the alcohol in her letting me kiss her? or she did like me? she did say she enjoyed the night and let me kiss her again when i said goodbye. but fuk she loved my massage .. said i had good hands :p

i said gimme a kiss for that massage and she said no i dont have to (laughed) and i said come on... so she kissed my cheek and i said nooo a proper one. so she did it again and i turned my head and kissed her mouth.

today she wants to go see a movie with me and shes bringing alcohol in there lol. and we gonna go clubbing on weekend.

anyway... tonight, should i try make more moves like grab her tits? or is it too early. didnt get the feeling she'd let me do it last night.

damn what a night!

Don't listen to a word she says; watch her actions. If she's letting you make out with her, alcohol or not she likes it. Keep progressing.

Warning; your spending too much time with her, don't be so available




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