"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Hey folks,

I'll try and make this short about this girl in particular.

I could use some help what to do from here on... after you read this long story..

November of last year I met this girl inna on the interweb (lol).
Long story short, her and I talked for two + months. She just got out of a relationship and came on very strong to me via phone and texts. We went on a date to smoke hookah. It ended up that I went AFC on her shortly after the date. I used to ask her friend for advice about her, which her friend was helpful to me telling me she was still a little girl. Eventually I got surgery on my femur shortly after in January and quit talking to her. However, I stood in contact with her friend Vicki ( her best friend ).

I started talking to Vicki vaguely, every now and then on AIM.
Eventually, I started talking to her more. Sexually or just being over ****y.
A friend of mine pranked her, when we were bored and really said nasty things to her. She winded up cutting off contact and blocking me.

Few months later, Vicki and I started talking again.

I always thought she was very attractive. I set myself up for a goal to join the Army as 11Bravo but needed to pass the ASVAB exam first.

I asked Vicki to tutor me in Math for the ASVAB, considering she was just out of H.S.

Shocked I was to hear she said she would tutor me for my exam. I told her I would pay her for her time. She didn't mention a price, and didn't seem to care how much I would pay her since she's just a nice person.

Meeting her for the first time, at her place for tutoring I was a nervous wreck.
I knew she was Hot, I just didn't realize she was that much hotter in person.

While tutoring me, she helped me a ton with the Math, only charging me $15 for two hour sessions. I always gave her $25. A small tip, to keep her encouraged to tutor me, since private tutors cost a fortune.

After a few sessions, I always noticed her eyes to lock with mine constantly, always smiling. Kino'ing me, sitting close. Inviting me to get tutored up until 1am at night after her long days at work as a Dental Assistant.

I would kino back, be over ****y... but also nervous at the same time while around her.

She was single at this point for a few months she told me. Started talking about her ex boyfriend, how she likes video games because of him. She knows I enjoy online gaming. She showed me she plays Paintball... which I was shocked to see and hear by showing be her gun, outfit etc.. for PB.

Long story short as if this isn't long enough.. I asked her out once to grab a bite. She said maybe next time she was going out.

I started becoming obsessive. Thinking about her. Having tremendous lust for this girl... I would call her atleast once a day to see if I could get tutored. Which i did need since my test was to happen soon.

Day before test day rolled around, she asked if I would like her to come as moral support more or less to the test for the ASVAB. I told her that's sweet but no thanks. It would be unfair to make someone sit for 3 hours while I take a test.

She texted me the next day telling me she was worried about me, asking if I passed. I ignored her texts, she texted again, I told her I passed the exam thanks to our hard work.

Few days later I asked her if she would like to go to a longue with me, since she mentioned she always wanted to go to one. She said great, will celebrate that you passed your exam and you're off to the Army soon!

A few weeks later I went to the longue with her. That's another story. She brought another guy with her, without asking me. Just telling me more or less he was coming when I mentioned I may have some friends of mine coming down. We went to the longue anyhow, since my friend owned it, and had asked me for some time to come down. I got them all in, considering they were all 18-20, except her guy friend who was 24....

I won't shoot him down much, since i don't want to bore you anymore. This guy was bald, skinny. Thanked me for getting them all in lmao... as if he respected me. He was really nice to me, (he did look like a fag) I think also because he could see I wanted to beat the piss outta him. She tried making me jelous holding him while sitting, standing, only taking photos with him and her friends.. I winded up leaving that night early when two of her friends mentioned they had to go. I drove her friends home to save them cab fair. I had to be up the following morning real early to be at the Army base for further processing. She thanked me for the wonderful night the following day, and her friends texted me as well.

Since then... we went to the mall to pick out a gift for my recruiter, we then went to dinner that night. We talked, it was cool. Constantly she stared at me during dinner, while talking, I ordered appetizers she ate really sexual.. then somehow shrimp came up, how we both don't really like it. She ate the shrimp whole... tail and all, putting it in her mouth slowly while looking at me.. I was like wow gross. The hour we were at dinner, she stared at me... constantly. I would say to her "What!?" she would say nothing... finally she kept doing it... I asked her again "whaat!?" since she kept giving me that weird look, She said she had a staring problem her friends say. I said I see.. and laughed. The night ended with her raising her hand for the check.. to myself I was like mmk she wants to leave. I got the waitress, she took the check...as I was getting my wallet out, pulls out her credit card and I was like uhm what are you doing. She's like I got it. I'm like uhm i didn't even get a chance to get my wallet out. She laughed, she said nono I got it. I went to get out money for the tip... she said she paid for that too. I was like **** ok. Basically she picked up the tab of $70.. which i was shocked. I drove her home, I asked if I would see her again before I shipped off. She said maybe...said be safe, don't get hurt while over their.

That night, my brilliant friend Sean hopped on AIM after telling him we went to dinner and made her feel two feet tall... making fun of her... Calling her daddys little girl... etc.. I was getting mad fast. He told me quit being a wussy and go along with it. I respect this friend as I know him for 9 years.. She asked me to tell him to stop IMing her. I told her just to ignore him, he's joking around. After her blocking him, a few mins later, Sean convinced me to tell her she was too immature, and young for me and to talk to me when she's in her twenties and is grown up mentally, then blocking her.. removing her from my Facebook etc.. I did it..

A day later, I apologized. she told me to go f myself...That I should be one to speak considering I have immature friends. I said ok... she blocked me. I swapped names.. Told her I was sorry again and poured out the truth that I liked her personality, that she was sexy... and I really was sorry. She ignored me.. I called left a voice mail saying the same thing, with the sincerity in my voice.

Next day I IMed her again, told her to please forgive me, I truly was sorry. She said she was about to call me and tell me I was forgiven. We talked a little more, I told her I was unhappy with the whole situation that I was mad about the fact she ignored me when I asked her to tutor me up till the last minute for my test when making appointments with me to tutor me. She apologized. I also told her that the guy she brought to the longue, that it was an ******* move, to bring him at the last minute when she knew it would be just us two and her friends as couples. I mentioned her guy friend was bald, and ugly what did she see in him? She claimed they messed around, if I wanted to know more... I said no thanks...

After all this... I stopped talking to her completely. Now she's been IMing me asking saying Hi. I would just sign off.. Next time she asked me if I was still home, I said idk come to my house and find out.. She said no thx ill pass... I was ****y and told her that's too bad. She told me she didn't even know where I lived. I said bye... signed off again. Two days later, last night. Again she IMs me.

Me: havnt recieved any letters from you :p
Her: LOL i'll get on that
Me: I watched keith and the life before her eyes the other night. i rented them before i was rdy to ship. good ****. you have pretty good taste in flicks.
Her: ty i know i try
Her: which one did u like better
Me: keith
Her: mmm
Her: ok im off to bed
Her: ill talk to u more later
Me: call me later

That's all folks... What should I do? I'm seeing 2 other girls. Even while with these woman, I still fancy her. How can I open a possibility to go out with her and show her I'm not the AFC I portrayed?

Thanks ahead of time, apologies for the long @ss post!

- Ret
 
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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i must be really bored
i read all of that.
and i haven't slept yet so much thinking process might be a little messed up.
but it seems that she is attracted.
i don't know why, but she is.

why would you bring up money about the tutor thing if she said yes to it for no pay.
and her paying for dinner was just so she doesn't feel guilty taking so much of your money.

why did you tell her she's immature and too young?
your friend Sean sounds like a little boy that's never spoken to a female before and is all excited because one of his friends went out with a girl.

there were parts that i thought you were a complete afc.
but other parts that made me realize you had value in your life and are not desperate.

she likes paint balling right?
if you guys haven't done that yet, ask her to go paint balling with you and some other friends.
it'll be a great way to loosen up the tension between you two imo since all the action will make you guys forget about all the stupid stuff
 

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Hey crazy. Thanks. Yeah.. I too can't figure out why she's attracted. I just needed the once over from someone other than my friends who're very ****y.

Paintball does sound like a great Idea. I'm kind of strapped for cash atm though. The army cost me a small fortune while processing not to mention the stuff I needed to ship, now they tell me I'm delayed because of my leg.

I'm now pondering something inexpensive for both of us to loosen up. I just haven't thought of much. Where I live in Staten Island it's extremely boring, not many places to go. Plus the summer is over.
 

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ReT said:
I also told her that the guy she brought to the longue, that it was an ******* move, to bring him at the last minute when she knew it would be just us two and her friends as couples. I mentioned her guy friend was bald, and ugly what did she see in him? She claimed they messed around, if I wanted to know more... I said no thanks...
Wow. that was a bad move..

I know it is hard not to get jealous when you like somebody this much, but try not to show it it is very unattractive..it is still a mistake I make every now and then :mad:
 

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Aye, I know. I actually called her back a few minutes later..and said I was upset that she was taking advantage.

I felt I get your friends in the longue. First it was her, myself and two of her friends. Then it was two more friends... that I had no clue were coming till her other friend called me and mentioned it. Then the guy scott coming, I was like... yeah f this. I better tell her how I don't appreciate being taken advantage of.

I refuse to be a pushover. If I say to her I'm bringing some friends of my own. That doesn't mean oh i'll invite everyone I know (hey everyone jump in the pool).
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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yeah with you on that one.

I know exactly what you mean, like all these randoms showing up uninvited and ruins your night with the lady thats just frustrating..


Also a thing on jealousy, found it in a thread by I.A.F.Y.B.

I.A.F.Y.B. said:
Jealousy: Being jealous is a major turn off to women. They will flirt with other guys, dance with other guys, have guy friends, go out to partys, talk about other guys... Whatever the situation is. Girls just want to have fun like us. If you keep her locked up and not let her have fun being greedy. She will be turned off and might leave you because, of your insecuritys. Just know girls will do this and you just gotta ignore it. Go flirt with other girls yourself. I'm not saying cheat on your woman. But, have some fun and meet people.

Unless she is going over board and really doing something you don't like. Then, you can act up and let her know. :cuss:

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Sums it up pretty well...:up:
 

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heh. Got it. I've made it known to her I'm seeing other girls, and she can see that as well on my FB. I definetly don't want to keep her on any kind of leash. she's her own person.

Even if I were going out with her, imagine if I had to be the main course of entertainment all the time, and keep her in check? No way jose.
 
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