"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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So I tried to # close this girl that works at a restaurant I've ate at a few times recently. I asked her name after a little small talk, and then said, "so danielle, why don't you give me your number and maybe we'll hangout sometime." She giggled and blushed a little, then paused and said, "...only problem is...I have a bf". I replied with, "that's too bad." She then said, "yea, but nothing lasts forever", with a smile. I smiled and said, "you're right about that." Then she asked how old I was and we had a little more small talk for a couple mins where she seemed really interested in the conversation. Then my to go order came out and interrupted us, we said our goodbyes and I left. Should I take anything from that?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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incognito42 said:
So I tried to # close this girl that works at a restaurant I've ate at a few times recently. I asked her name after a little small talk, and then said, "so danielle, why don't you give me your number and maybe we'll hangout sometime." She giggled and blushed a little, then paused and said, "...only problem is...I have a bf". I replied with, "that's too bad." She then said, "yea, but nothing lasts forever", with a smile. I smiled and said, "you're right about that." Then she asked how old I was and we had a little more small talk for a couple mins where she seemed really interested in the conversation then my to go order came out and interrupted us, we said our goodbyes and I left. Should I take anything from that?

Exchange numbers with her the next time you visit and tell her to let you know when she's single. This way you held some integrity. Otherwise if she dumps her boyfriend for you and or cheats on him with you, you can expect the same thing to happen to you. There's no guarantee either way but at least you will have showed her you value her relationship not to interfere and then possibly date her when she tells you she's single.
 

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incognito42 said:
So I tried to # close this girl that works at a restaurant I've ate at a few times recently. I asked her name after a little small talk, and then said, "so danielle, why don't you give me your number and maybe we'll hangout sometime." She giggled and blushed a little, then paused and said, "...only problem is...I have a bf". I replied with, "that's too bad." She then said, "yea, but nothing lasts forever", with a smile. I smiled and said, "you're right about that." Then she asked how old I was and we had a little more small talk for a couple mins where she seemed really interested in the conversation. Then my to go order came out and interrupted us, we said our goodbyes and I left. Should I take anything from that?
No matter what you think a waitress thinks of you...the cold hard truth is she doesnt care about you. None do, its a show for a tip....dont hit on the help.
 

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Young Stallion said:
No matter what you think a waitress thinks of you...the cold hard truth is she doesnt care about you. None do, its a show for a tip....dont hit on the help.

I'm not buying it. All she had to do was take his number or hand her's over and never answered or called. No reason to mention a B.F and say "nothing lasts forever." I have an extremely hard time of believing that waitresses never give their number out or if they do don't want a certain guy to call them.
 

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Young Stallion said:
No matter what you think a waitress thinks of you...the cold hard truth is she doesnt care about you. None do, its a show for a tip....dont hit on the help.
Judge nismo's 2,000th post!!!

Try talking to hired guns after work. Usually works better. During work, they're there to attract business. That's exactly what happened to you. And the fact she said she has a boyfriend speaks volumes. When you hear that, act unaffected, and go ghost. Probably won't faze the girl, but roll with it.

Hired guns are PAID TO BE NICE TO YOU. Always remember that. Court's orders. :yes:

Case closed.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Only thing is it's a Tijuana flats...basically a glorified taco bell. No waitresses, no tips. Even if you sit down to eat, which I never have, they take your order and your money at the counter and a food runner (always a dude from the back) comes and drops it off on the table. I chatted her up as she was sweeping. Otherwise, excellent points.
 

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So should I take anything from that, considering she's not a waitress, doesn't work off tips, and theres no financial incentive for her?

I realize that without you guys seeing body language, the flow of the convo, etc that it's hard to get a good feel for things.

Naughty ninja, I wouldn't move in on some other guys girl. I think I'll try out your advice though that seems like a solid move at this point. Should I really ask for her # again tho, or just give her mine and tell her to give me a call when she's single?
 

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incognito42 said:
So should I take anything from that, considering she's not a waitress, doesn't work off tips, and theres no financial incentive for her?

I realize that without you guys seeing body language, the flow of the convo, etc that it's hard to get a good feel for things.

Naughty ninja, I wouldn't move in on some other guys girl. I think I'll try out your advice though that seems like a solid move at this point. Should I really ask for her # again tho, or just give her mine and tell her to give me a call when she's single?

Exchange numbers. Tell her to give you herrs and give her yours. Then tell her to call you when she's single. This way you haven't texted or 'chased' her and it's up to HER to initiate the green light when she's single. If she never calls? No big deal. If she does. Fine.
 

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I hear you there, and the vibe I got from her was that there could be some interest and that she's not gonna be with her bf for too much longer. I felt like she didn't give me her number out of respect for her bf, so will it not come off like I'm chasing if I try to get her number again even under those terms? I can see giving my number and telling her to hit me up when she's single, but I'm NOT chasing and don't want to lose the position I've gained by coming off that way.

I'll defer to you though, I'm still inexperienced and learning
 

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No matter what you think a waitress thinks of you...the cold hard truth is she doesnt care about you. None do, its a show for a tip....dont hit on the help.

You should changed your username to Preconceived Notions because all I see you spit is absolute theories based on a few examples.

Ironically you have a lot of knowledge, but your own mindset is what is holding you back from hitting the next phase of your growth.






PIMP
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Pimp-sicle said:
You should changed your username to Preconceived Notions because all I see you spit is absolute theories based on a few examples.

Ironically you have a lot of knowledge, but your own mindset is what is holding you back from hitting the next phase of your growth.






PIMP

Hey Pimp,

No worries on your assumption, but my reasoning behind why you shouldnt try to pick up waitresses is based very much on my own examples....one of which was made into a thread on here and actually made it onto Nismo's "Princess Is In Another Castle" rulebook.
 

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Hey Pimp,

No worries on your assumption, but my reasoning behind why you shouldnt try to pick up waitresses is based very much on my own examples....one of which was made into a thread on here and actually made it onto Nismo's "Princess Is In Another Castle" rulebook.

That's my entire point though dude; your small sample set doesn't make it the norm.

Honestly, how many waitresses have you approached and game'd? I was a waiter for 3 years in college, yes I had an "in" with them, but I def saw how regular customers worked their game and got to hook up with some of the hot girls there.

Is it rare? Yes, because guys with ballz to cold approach in general is rare.


But its not difficult, just requires a different strategy.


And to me a hired gun is a shot girl, a ****tail waitress, a drink girl at a strip club etc. Not a regular waitress, they are usually average to cute with a few exceptional hotties working their way through school. They, like any other woman can be effectively seduced, but like I said requires a slightly different strategy and something that most guys on this board don't have patience! lol







PIMP
 

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That's my entire point though dude; your small sample set doesn't make it the norm.

Honestly, how many waitresses have you approached and game'd? I was a waiter for 3 years in college, yes I had an "in" with them, but I def saw how regular customers worked their game and got to hook up with some of the hot girls there.

Is it rare? Yes, because guys with ballz to cold approach in general is rare.


But its not difficult, just requires a different strategy.


And to me a hired gun is a shot girl, a ****tail waitress, a drink girl at a strip club etc. Not a regular waitress, they are usually average to cute with a few exceptional hotties working their way through school. They, like any other woman can be effectively seduced, but like I said requires a slightly different strategy and something that most guys on this board don't have patience! lol







PIMP

I have always cold approached and have talked to a fair share of waitresses, usually very unsuccessfully.

So what is this different strategy you speak of when it comes to waitresses?
 

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I know, that place is money! And I love it because I like to workout and can get healthy food thre. I wanted to eat there again yesterday but decided not to. Don't wanna run into that chick too much right now. Was thinkin I'll hold off til next week at least
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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