Sunshine71
Don Juan
Hi guys,
Lurking for several months, posted once or twice a while back. Anyway, I have a question challenging the methodology of patterns.
Question in a nutshell: Wouldn't it possible to run patterns using her memory as the state-immersion engine, rather than her imagination? If so, wouldn't it be much more prudent to use this primarily, with her imagination only supplementing this method?
I have Jeffries' book, and he repeatedly instructs the manipulation of her _imagination_ in order to guide her into these favored states. "Imagine, if you will, how good it would feel to just completely lose yourself in a kiss that's so soft, so light, so intense that..." etc. etc.
My question is, with someone you already know, (say you're trying to make a move on a friend or something) wouldn't asking her to dredge these sensations from her memory work just as well? Instead of _imagining_, she is instead _recalling_. Ideally the common denominator would be her immersion into how these states felt...right? And of course associating them with you using the right anchors etc. etc.
Isn't the "imagination" just the reorganization of prior ideas gained through experience, which is in turn retained through _memory_?
The major pro of this idea as I see it:
-With someone you already know, popping a "do you remember" is a lot easier than "lets play a game," or "lets imagine..." you know? I mean, you _can_ set up those, and make them work, if you have the right amount of contextual cushioning and what not. But it just seems that it would be easier to let her lose herself in her very accessible memories, and it seems a lot more casual, etc.
The potential con...and essentially my question:
-Jeffries says that "whatever thought you can get her to imagine, she will percieve as her own original idea." If this is the case, and _soley_ the case, than the use of her memory would pose a problem...she would attribute all of the wonderful sensations those memories bring her with the _memories_, and not with you...because they belong to the memories.
My question is: IS THIS REALLY THE CASE?
My theory is that she will associate these things with you _anyway_. I think the only reason I haven't read anything like this strategy before, is that Speed Seduction focuses on patterning strangers. Under _that_ circumstance, asking her for memories and such is just as unusual as working her imagination, so it doesn't matter anyway. But with people you know already, wouldn't working her memory be a more powerful tool?
I have an example of how this works from my AFC days...it's _so_ funny to look back in hindsight on the times when I did EVERYTHING RIGHT, and didn't know it. Heh...as for when I did them wrong, I just try to forget about _them_
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Anyway, here's the example: I was talking to this gorgeous girl for a week or so (this was senior year in high school) and we finally met after school to have a real conversation. This was in a coffee shop. At the time, or right afterwards, all we could think about was how _wonderful_ it was, and of course we had no idea why. When I look back on it, and think about what we were talking about, it makes sense!
The conversation was centered around our childhood. What were our siblings like, our parents, what games we played, what kind of trouble we got in, what we could name our kids if we ever had any, etc. etc.
Looking back on it, I'm almost certain that she associated those feelings of innocence, youth, energy, intensity, etc. with ME.
In conclusion, if this is true, than this opens up a large doorway for running patterns with existing acquaintances.
"_REMEMBER_" How the first kiss with someone feels? __________ <--run the pattern. Simple as that.
So...what do you guys think?
Yours truly,
Sunshine
---"We must _never_ place so much value on any one thing that we could not find joy without it."
Lurking for several months, posted once or twice a while back. Anyway, I have a question challenging the methodology of patterns.
Question in a nutshell: Wouldn't it possible to run patterns using her memory as the state-immersion engine, rather than her imagination? If so, wouldn't it be much more prudent to use this primarily, with her imagination only supplementing this method?
I have Jeffries' book, and he repeatedly instructs the manipulation of her _imagination_ in order to guide her into these favored states. "Imagine, if you will, how good it would feel to just completely lose yourself in a kiss that's so soft, so light, so intense that..." etc. etc.
My question is, with someone you already know, (say you're trying to make a move on a friend or something) wouldn't asking her to dredge these sensations from her memory work just as well? Instead of _imagining_, she is instead _recalling_. Ideally the common denominator would be her immersion into how these states felt...right? And of course associating them with you using the right anchors etc. etc.
Isn't the "imagination" just the reorganization of prior ideas gained through experience, which is in turn retained through _memory_?
The major pro of this idea as I see it:
-With someone you already know, popping a "do you remember" is a lot easier than "lets play a game," or "lets imagine..." you know? I mean, you _can_ set up those, and make them work, if you have the right amount of contextual cushioning and what not. But it just seems that it would be easier to let her lose herself in her very accessible memories, and it seems a lot more casual, etc.
The potential con...and essentially my question:
-Jeffries says that "whatever thought you can get her to imagine, she will percieve as her own original idea." If this is the case, and _soley_ the case, than the use of her memory would pose a problem...she would attribute all of the wonderful sensations those memories bring her with the _memories_, and not with you...because they belong to the memories.
My question is: IS THIS REALLY THE CASE?
My theory is that she will associate these things with you _anyway_. I think the only reason I haven't read anything like this strategy before, is that Speed Seduction focuses on patterning strangers. Under _that_ circumstance, asking her for memories and such is just as unusual as working her imagination, so it doesn't matter anyway. But with people you know already, wouldn't working her memory be a more powerful tool?
I have an example of how this works from my AFC days...it's _so_ funny to look back in hindsight on the times when I did EVERYTHING RIGHT, and didn't know it. Heh...as for when I did them wrong, I just try to forget about _them_
Anyway, here's the example: I was talking to this gorgeous girl for a week or so (this was senior year in high school) and we finally met after school to have a real conversation. This was in a coffee shop. At the time, or right afterwards, all we could think about was how _wonderful_ it was, and of course we had no idea why. When I look back on it, and think about what we were talking about, it makes sense!
The conversation was centered around our childhood. What were our siblings like, our parents, what games we played, what kind of trouble we got in, what we could name our kids if we ever had any, etc. etc.
Looking back on it, I'm almost certain that she associated those feelings of innocence, youth, energy, intensity, etc. with ME.
In conclusion, if this is true, than this opens up a large doorway for running patterns with existing acquaintances.
"_REMEMBER_" How the first kiss with someone feels? __________ <--run the pattern. Simple as that.
So...what do you guys think?
Yours truly,
Sunshine
---"We must _never_ place so much value on any one thing that we could not find joy without it."
