Run your car on water / hydrogen

[supa hahahaha]

Instructions : http://www.mininova.org/tor/1475629


I jumped into this with blind faith, because I got this information from a source I could trust. I done a neon as per instructions, runs great, 38 mpg highway/city average, driving to and from work. That's a big improvement.

Second project, mustang gt, 4.6L, 5 speed. Practically brand new. But this time I went to hydrogen only no fuel setup. Literally just like a natural gas car, only except natural gas you have hydrogen for fuel. I get hydrogen from a similar generator I have at home, and used a compressor to pump it into tanks. The only reason this is not a water car, is because I didn't want compressor noise coming out of my car. Other than that it practically runs on water, because I can take my generator anywhere I go, and refuel tanks in 6 hours.


Now, you can't tell me this is impossible and won't work. Simply because you never done it. My ex physics professor from college was a bit apprehensive, but after seeing my setups and the results he converted his 911 Porsche to same setup as my mustang.




Should you decide it's all bs anyway. It's your choice. Just remember AFCs, and how some of them KNOW that DJing is bs.


I can only show you a door nigga, I can not drag you through it, nigga.



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[Wiesman44]

Huh ?

 

[DrD77]

alright ******

 

[Deep Dish]

Supa hahahaha said:
I jumped into this with blind faith, because I got this information from a source I could trust. ... Now, you can't tell me this is impossible and won't work... I can only show you a door nigga, I can not drag you through it, nigga.

You are a fool. But, I will use you as a guinea pig, since you bring up a topic which needs to be addressed. Heck, I feel the ass raping pain whenever I need to fill up on gasoline and I'm constantly seeing the "low fuel" light pop up on my dashboard because I put in only a few gallons every time.

I went to hydrogen only no fuel setup... it practically runs on water.

Bullocks! You are outright lying, although I don't know if through intent or a poor grasp at communication skills. No fuel, eh? It's impossible to run off solely hydrogen as hydrogen is not a source of energy (which I will prove down below.) Where is your source of energy? Also, seriously, what is the full name of your former college physics professor and what is the specific university? I will contact him.

Your water/hydrogen converter is basically electrolysis and while it does convert water into its constituent hydrogen and oxygen counterparts, the hydrogen and oxygen are reconverted back when it reaches the engine, thus self-defeating.

"The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary", published by Popular Mechanics on July 3, 2008:

There is energy in water. Chemically, it’s locked up in the atomic bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the hydrogen and oxygen combine, whether it’s in a fuel cell, internal combustion engine running on hydrogen, or a jury-rigged pickup truck with an electrolysis cell in the bed, there’s energy left over in the form of heat or electrons. That’s converted to mechanical energy by the pistons and crankshaft or electrical motors to move the vehicle.

Problem: It takes exactly the same amount of energy to pry those hydrogen and oxygen atoms apart inside the electrolysis cell as you get back when they recombine inside the fuel cell. The laws of thermodynamics haven’t changed, in spite of any hype you read on some blog or news aggregator. Subtract the losses to heat in the engine and alternator and electrolysis cell, and you’re losing energy, not gaining it—period.

Now, about hydrogen not being a source of energy...

"The Hydrogen Economy: Savior of Humanity or an Economic Black Hole?", published by Skeptic magazine on March 12, 2008:

Unlike gasoline, hydrogen isn’t an energy source — it’s an energy carrier, like a battery.... No matter how it’s been made, hydrogen has no energy in it. It is the lowest energy dense fuel on earth.

To make a little digression, conspiracy theorists always mention Stanley Meyer. He was the "inventor" in the mid-1990's who claimed to have made a car run purely on water. He then died a few years later. But the fact is his "machine" was a perpetual motion machine and those machines are impossible because it violates the first law of thermodynamics (the law of conservation). Meyer was convicted of fraud by the state of Ohio in 1996 when he failed to be able to demonstrate his machine actually worked. His patents are publicly available for anyone to reconstruct but nobody has stepped forward and successfully replicated the claim. What, where, when have any engineering teams from MIT, Carnegie Mellon, CIT, Cal Tech, Michigan, or any other top-notch engineering school have assembled a functioning copy of the machine? I only mention all this because it's inevitable for the conspiratorial minded to conjure his "invention."

Moving onward and, for the sake of brevity, reaching our climax:

At some time in the future the price of oil and natural gas will increase significantly due to geological depletion and political crises in extracting countries. Since the hydrogen infrastructure will be built using the existing oil-based infrastructure (i.e. internal combustion engine vehicles, power plants and factories, plastics, etc.), the price of hydrogen will go up as well — it will never be cheaper than fossil fuels. As depletion continues, factories will be driven out of business by high fuel costs and the parts necessary to build the extremely complex storage tanks and fuel cells might become unavailable.

The laws of physics mean the hydrogen economy will always be an energy sink. Hydrogen’s properties require you to spend more energy than you can earn, because in order to do so you must overcome waters’ hydrogen-oxygen bond, move heavy cars, prevent leaks and brittle metals, and transport hydrogen to the destination. It doesn’t matter if all of these problems are solved, or how much money is spent. You will use more energy to create, store, and transport hydrogen than you will ever get out of it.

Any diversion of declining fossil fuels to a hydrogen economy subtracts that energy from other possible uses, such as planting, harvesting, delivering, and cooking food, heating homes, and other essential activities. According to Joseph Romm, a Department of Energy official who oversaw research on hydrogen and transportation fuel cell research during the Clinton Administration: “The energy and environmental problems facing the nation and the world, especially global warming, are far too serious to risk making major policy mistakes that misallocate scarce resources."

 

[Alle_Gory]

Hydrogen is an energy storage.

Hydrogen comes from where?

You take water, put in energy by form of electricity to split it into H2 (hydrogen) and O2 (oxygen) gases. The O2 is discarded or stored in tanks for whatever. There's plenty in the atmosphere. Hydrogen is stored in tanks as a 'fuel' source. Now this is a highly inefficient process. Only something like 60-70% of the energy in is used to make hydrogen. The rest escapes as useless heat.

What to do with hydrogen.

The hydrogen is burned in the presence of oxygen to get the energy back. This is done by combustion like inside a cylinder. The energy 'stored' in the hydrogen is put to work.


Why this is a bad idea

This hydrogen production system is running off a car battery. The car battery is charged by the alternator, the alternator runs off a belt which in turn is run from the movement of the cylinders.

Modern gasoline engines are inefficient as well. Only about 40% efficient, but since its a neon, then realistically its about 20% efficient. The rest of the energy is wasted as heat and friction.

This combined with a hydrogen producing station that is only 60% efficient, and then burning the hydrogen from the hydrogen production station (which is AS inefficient as burning gasoline) means that you are REDUCING your mileage.

You are getting less energy to work moving the car than by just leaving the car unmodified.



BTW, if your Physics professor agrees with this then you need a new college.

 

[Da Realist]

The truth about hydrogen is that it will take large amounts of water and electricity to produce on a large scale. Naturals gas could be used to make hydrogen, but what's the point if you can use the natural gas itself? Hydrogen power is not going to become reliable until a better source of energy is developed. Solar power is probaly the best way to make hydrogen since it's abundant, but it's going to be a while till the technolgy used to collect the sunrays is small enough to fit easily on a car. At the same time there is going to have to be enough water to put in cars as well as ther being enough to be used for other things. It's a steap in the right direction, but its going to take a lot of changes to work.

 

[Crazy Asian]

something tells me that the download is a virus.

 

[Ingeniarius]

Some time ago (2-3 years) I read and heard about a European start-up proposing to install large solar power works in the Sahara desert to gain electricity and thus have the energy to make hydrogen gas. It was proposed to either build a pipeline for fluid hydrogen under the Mediterranean or to put the gas on tankers to ship it to Europe. Obviously this disappeared out of the news, as the process (at least on our current technological level) is inefficient for the reasons stated above: Hydrogen is not a primary source of energy, and making the gas, storing it, transporting it, and then burning it as not as efficient as transporting electricity.

However, I believe the European Union is funding alternative energy sources on a large scale; one project is the construction of an off-shore wind park in the North Sea. The thinking behind this is that the wind apparently blows more strongly at sea and should be used to generate electricity. Some companies are still looking at the Sahara as a great place for solar energy, as research indicates that organic materials may be used for solar cells, making them much cheaper. As of yet, all of this is questionable as to whether it will be of practical use and importance in the future.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Hydrogen/Gasoline hybrids can work.

The OP method cannot since it runs off the CAR BATTERY!! He's burning gasoline to make the hydrogen in the vehicle.
Yes I read some of the pdf file. Its not a virus.

 

[Yookiwooki]

The process he is using is more inefficient than a normal gasoline engine.

BUT

He is saving a lot of money. I'm assuming the price of electricity used to make the hydrogen is tiny compared to the price of gasoline that would give you the same amount of energy.

 

[HandyAndy]

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

 

[Alle_Gory]

The process he is using is more inefficient than a normal gasoline engine.

BUT

He is saving a lot of money. I'm assuming the price of electricity used to make the hydrogen is tiny compared to the price of gasoline that would give you the same amount of energy.

There is no but. This is an ONBOARD hydrogen generator. Its running off the car battery. It's just a big resistor hooked up to his electrical system. Did I also mention it take thousands of volts to produce hydrogen at respectable quantities. And the car battery only produces 12v.



You can save money by making such a system in your house. You run the system off the grid, store the hydrogen in tanks, which you then put in the car to assist the gasoline with. Or replace the gasoline with. Something like a propane conversion for your car but with hydrogen in the tanks. This requires more than a couple of hundred dollars, and its a major fire hazard.


You got punked by the OP. He is a troll, or just very gullible when it comes to technical stuff.

 

[ketostix]

There is no but. This is an ONBOARD hydrogen generator. Its running off the car battery. It's just a big resistor hooked up to his electrical system. Did I also mention it take thousands of volts to produce hydrogen at respectable quantities. And the car battery only produces 12v.



You can save money by making such a system in your house. You run the system off the grid, store the hydrogen in tanks, which you then put in the car to assist the gasoline with. Or replace the gasoline with. Something like a propane conversion for your car but with hydrogen in the tanks. This requires more than a couple of hundred dollars, and its a major fire hazard.


You got punked by the OP. He is a troll, or just very gullible when it comes to technical stuff.

Also I don't believe a car's engine will run well on hydrogen. Hydrogen has too fast of a flame speed and I'm guesing too low of an octane rating.