Rountines

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

Routines are crutches. And not only that, but people tend to become dependent on them, which prevents them from "learning how to walk without them"

In other words, using "routines" will keep you from growing and progressing as a DJ

Being a DJ is not about learning a bunch of tricks and tactics and routines, it's about becoming the type of person that people, including women, naturally gravitate towards.

See my sig below.

Also, most any "hotspot" in any city will have more than it's share of wannabe PUA's running the same routines and such.

Just think how great it will be when you meet a really cool chick, one you connect with and things are going well, then you start doing "The Cube" or some other lame-azz routine, and then she tells you that you're the 3rd guy this day/week/month/year that has ran "The Cube" or whatever on her already.

Not only have I seen this happen, I've had girls tell me personally about how they keep running into guys who all say the same things, like they're robots.

The Cube, Best friends test, pick a number between 1-4, Who lies more, etc...

Most hot chicks have already heard all these played-out routines.

Drop the crutches. They will prevent you from progressing and reaching your goals. They're for weak people with no game, with no social skills.

The definition of AFC is using someone else's material to game women.

I like this idea. There's only so many tricks you can pull out your a$$ before it turns to dust.

 

[Ace_McGregor]

Yep. Did you see "The Pickup Artist" tonight? All those routines that have been in the seduction community forever are now out in the open on national TV. Think about all the guys who look foolish for using played out lines. That's why you come up with your own routines.

 

[Derek Flint]

A quick peak at the MM forum, and a bunch of guys are in a panic, wondering what they will do now that their "secrets" have been exposed, much like when Style released his book.

Uh, how about learning to become a seducer instead of mimicking one?

This is why I'm so against canned stuff, and come here and tell people to avoid it. It's weak. It's a crutch. It's played out. It's old technology.

Become a Seducer, not a Parrot.

The whole mission of this web site has been long lost it appears.

Anyone remember what being a "DJ" was all about?

It isn't about a lot of the stuff that's being posted and discussed here nowadays.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

So which game? Which routine? Is he going to just run a different routine whenever the see each other? Is there some limitless fountain of routines which he can pull from? Is that SoSuave? How long will he be able to keep it up and keep their interest? Is keeping women interested really that simple?

No, he can get into his normal conversation. You know, the type that many of you use to build attraction. Why can't he do one and then move on to regular conversation? Who says there are rules as to what's next?

These games usually lead to many other conversation threads, which you can use to find out about the other person. By the time you are done getting to learn about them, you won't even remember what started it. Who cares, really?

I've never done the Cube, yet I do know that one interesting conversation topic leads to others. I do it ALL THE TIME. What to do with the threads/topics is the key to getting results in this game, not the specific routine. Then again, I would think you already know this.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...These games usually lead to many other conversation threads, which you can use to find out about the other person. By the time you are done getting to learn about them, you won't even remember what started it. Who cares, really?

I noticed you said "usually."

 

[ModernSavage]

Yep. Did you see "The Pickup Artist" tonight? All those routines that have been in the seduction community forever are now out in the open on national TV. Think about all the guys who look foolish for using played out lines. That's why you come up with your own routines.

I do think that routines are useful in learning seduction but I totally agree that it should be your own stuff. Really, for those of you who use natural game you are in a sense using some types of your own routines. I just wrote a post about this here, but essentially we all have things that we discover through trial and error that work and that don't work. Whether we know it or not we tend to repeat the stuff that does work, hence they become routine(s).

 

[Gangster Of Love]

I noticed you said "usually."

Yup. I must agree that some of these things are not for anybody who can't even partake in normal social conversation. These people have no business doing that stuff when they have so many issues to work through.To call all of those of us who use them names and say we are wrong for whatever reason is just plain ignorant. I rarely (and I'm doing something similar by using "rarely") use the terms NEVER, ALWAYS, ALL THE TIME, etc. because that is not how communicating works.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Francisco, I get what you're saying. However I was just field testing for fun. Most of my abilities come from a very powerful inner game I've taken years to develop. I was just thirsty but of course to use it seriously you'll need the inner game and understanding of why all these routines work -- which is the funny part because you only develop that understanding from experience instead of canned routines. If you understand why and how - however I don't see the problem with a routine or two thrown in.

And to clear any confusion the technique itself didn't get the numbers but it opened the convo and broke the ice -- very well too. Sorry if anyone thought I just did the 5-question game and asked for numbers right after.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Francisco, I get what you're saying. However I was just field testing for fun. Most of my abilities come from a very powerful inner game I've taken years to develop. I was just thirsty but of course to use it seriously you'll need the inner game and understanding of why all these routines work -- which is the funny part because you only develop that understanding from experience instead of canned routines. If you understand why and how - however I don't see the problem with a routine or two thrown in.

And to clear any confusion the technique itself didn't get the numbers but it opened the convo and broke the ice -- very well too. Sorry if anyone thought I just did the 5-question game and asked for numbers right after.

Well that puts an entirely different spin on it. I'm all for good openers but I've seen bunches of guys who will string together line after line of openers to create a "routine." The bad ones sometimes get so caught up in finishing the routine that they don't even realize that they're getting shot down. Then there are others where women are interested and try to ask the guy something different but yet again, all he has in his head is his routine. Any deviation derails his entire set.