Rountines

[Themanthatcan]

I'm needing some really good fresh ones. Or just interesting games or tricks.

Fluff talk won't last me forever.

My two favorates are probably
"The Cube"
"The 5 questions game"

I've heard of others like the game where she puts her thumbs on the table and you put a glass filled to the top with water on her thumbs, then she tries to take it off w/o spilling it on herself.

-Need to try that one.

Whatcha got?

 

[speakeasy]

What's the 5 questions of game?

Good topic by the way. I think I need routines for real.

 

[Themanthatcan]

The 5 question game goes like this:
Me:Hey let's play a game- It's called the 5 questions game. Heard of it?
Her:nope
Me: what I'm going to do is ask you 5 questions and all you have to do is get them wrong. For instance if I asked you what's your name, you'd say a random name, but not yours.

If I win, ______ If you win_____ [just bet her something]

Her: ok.
Me:ready?
Her:yes
Me: what street are we on?
her:______
Me:What city are we in?
Her:________
Me: what's your name?
Her:___________
Me:.........wait......how many was that? [ this is the 4th question and you'll usually get her, because she'll say 3 (which is RIGHT). But if you don't......)
Her________________ [she'll probably get excited her if she caught it]
Me:awwwwwwww. You've played this game before........have you played this game before? [ this is the 5th question]
Her:No
Me:got you on the 5th one!\

I promise. They'll NEVER get past the 5th question.
Heres the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aWoN8MvGKw

Enjoy.

Feel free to share your own rountines, guys.

 

[Touchout]

I'm not big on routines, but the only ones I use are the cube, the 5 questions, and the best friend test.

For anyone who doesn't know, the best friend test is:

After you open target and friend, you ask them how they know each other. If they say their best friends (which they probably will) then you ask them if they want to take the best friend test.

If they say yes all you say is something like, "Ok it's simple...do you guys use the same shampoo?"

If they look at each other before they talk, when they're about to answer you cut them off and say, "It's ok, you already passed, best friends will always look at each other before answering a question."


It's a good fluffer

 

[abcd_z]

These are three routines I put together myself and field-tested extensively. If you wind up using them, please message me: I'd love to hear about other peoples' experiences using my stuff.

Wolf's Paws:
"I learned this from a friend of mine who liked to believe he was a werewolf. Nice guy, but he liked his steaks a little too rare for my taste. Anyhow, hold your paws like this. (hold your arms up like they're dog's paws, with the hands limp and face-down. If they object that they have hands and not paws, just say "those too, if you've got them"). Are they loose? (wiggle your hands to demonstrate) Now flip them over. (demonstrate this, look at how theirs land) Huh, interesting. ("what?") Well, I was hanging out with my friend, and he was having a crappy day, so he does this to himself, and his hands land like this (demonstrate closed hands.) And he goes "yeah, that's what I thought." I'm like, "what? What does that mean?" Well it turns out that it's an indicator of your personality. If they land like this (hands open), you have an open personality, and if they land like this (closed fist), it means you have a more closed-off personality."

[optional]
I actually did this at a fairground to two women who were waiting in line to see the psychic, and one of them lands like *this* (quite open), and her friend's land like *this* (more closed off), and the friend goes "Yeah, she *is* more outgoing than I am!"

From here you can transition to a cold-read about how she has two different parts to her personality: one that most people see, and another that not many people even know about. Or, alternatively, one about how she's reserved or aloof in situations she's not comfortable with, but when she gets around the right people, she just opens up.


Name game:
Me: I'll bet you forgot my name already.
Her: But you never told me your name (she's right, I didn't.)
Me: Yeah I did, I totally did! And you forgot it! Ohhh, you're trouble.
Her: So what IS your name?
Me: Guess.
Her: But I don't know.
Me: That's okay, I'm not asking you to know. I'm asking you to guess. It would be kind of weird if I didn't tell you and you already knew what it was.
Her: (Makes a guess)
Me: (Eyes get wide) Oh my God.
Her: What, did I get it?
Me: No.

Biting Style:
Hey, you're totally stealing my style! Yeah, yeah, I know. You just happen to be a fun-loving, outgoing, slightly random cool person. Uh huh, right. That's my thing, sister! It's not just wrong, it's downright illegal! Did you know that? Oh yeah, you can get slapped with a huge fine for being a style-biter. I'll just be watching them take you away, saying "Oh, I knew HB. She was nice, but she just couldn't pull it off like I could." So sad, what a shame.

 

[Themanthatcan]

I'm right there with you, Touchout. It's just I do alot of C+F and fluff talk. I needed kind of a grey area. [Rountines= Really interesting fluff]


Actually. I'm going to make it a point to try every routine you guys post up here atleast once, just to see how it works for me.

Keep it comin.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://www.pickupguide.com/entrcube.htm

 

[Derek Flint]

Routines are crutches. And not only that, but people tend to become dependent on them, which prevents them from "learning how to walk without them"

In other words, using "routines" will keep you from growing and progressing as a DJ

Being a DJ is not about learning a bunch of tricks and tactics and routines, it's about becoming the type of person that people, including women, naturally gravitate towards.

See my sig below.

Also, most any "hotspot" in any city will have more than it's share of wannabe PUA's running the same routines and such.

Just think how great it will be when you meet a really cool chick, one you connect with and things are going well, then you start doing "The Cube" or some other lame-azz routine, and then she tells you that you're the 3rd guy this day/week/month/year that has ran "The Cube" or whatever on her already.

Not only have I seen this happen, I've had girls tell me personally about how they keep running into guys who all say the same things, like they're robots.

The Cube, Best friends test, pick a number between 1-4, Who lies more, etc...

Most hot chicks have already heard all these played-out routines.

Drop the crutches. They will prevent you from progressing and reaching your goals. They're for weak people with no game, with no social skills.

The definition of AFC is using someone else's material to game women.

 

[abcd_z]

Uhn-uh. Using somebody else's routines can be a very effective way to learn the skills and calibration. In fact, the Mystery method newbie drill is to go out and memorize 3-5 routines and run 12 approaches a week.

Just because the most common ones have been heard before doesn't mean that no routines can ever work.

Having said that, there are people out there who have become social robots, but that's a weakness in their understanding and implementation of social interaction, and not due to the fact that they use routines. Juggler, for instance, has some very good stuff about rapport that most social robots would do well to learn from.

 

[Derek Flint]

You missed the main point of my post, which is routines, tactics, tricks etc... are nothing more than crutches, and that people become dependent on them and that they actually will prevent people from progressing.

Again, see my sig line if there's any question as to where I'm coming from.

 

[abcd_z]

No I didn't, I just disagree with your point. Routines are very very useful tools. I've worked with routines, I've worked without them, and I what's more, *both* types of practice helped my overall results. Yes, some people can't have a decent conversation without them. These are social robots. But just because some people go overboard with them, that doesn't make the routines themselves bad. That's like saying you should ban all alcohol just because some people become alcoholics.

 

[Derek Flint]

No, I'm saying that routines are only for people with *zero* game and social skills, like the 8 guys you see on Mystery's show, and should only be used as temporary stepping stone. Very, very short-term, and again, strictly for newbs.

But routines and such clash directly with becoming a "DJ" and what being a DJ is all about.

Perhaps you haven't reached that point yet, but routines actually prevent people from progressing. Routines are basically cheating.

If you take a test at school, and already have a print out of the answers, and you don't study, you still pass the test, but did you learn the subject?

When you're out in the field, and things aren't going according to "the script" and you reach into your bag of tricks for a routine, and there isn't one that correlates to the situation, you're SOL

I've had chicks tell me how these guys spit routines at them, how fake and phoney it sounds, and how when faced with a challenge not in "the script" they suddenly stutter and stammer and don't know what to say or do, so they just run another routine that has nothing to do with what they were talking about.

I've also had the same chicks tell me that's part of the reason they were attracted to me, because I'm genuine, direct, upfront and don't use lame "negs" or indirect opinion openers or any of that crap that "the community" says is required.

Chicks hate phony guys, and guys who use routines and canned material come across as phony.

I'm sure you've heard the term "routine dependency" - that's what happens to a lot of guys. Now, you're saying that it's OK to use them occassionally.

I'm saying that if you or anyone else is anything but a newbie, you should dump the routines, for the reasons I've spelled out in my first post in this thread.

The sooner one gets their game to the point where they don't need to use canned material, the better. The problem is that most people will become lazy, become routine dependent, and won't progress.

Then, they'll be at the point where they're looking for the next opener, the next routine, the next "quick fix" - this whole thread is an example.

Look at the thread starter and his first questions:
"I'm needing some really good fresh ones. Or just interesting games or tricks.
Fluff talk won't last me forever."

Classic example of a guy who has become routine dependent, whose game has failed to progress or has actually regressed because of routines, and who is looking for the next quick fix. And, who hasn't developed himself beyond the "fluff talk" stage and who hasn't learned how to create attraction.

No, fluff talk won't last anyone forever, nor will routines. Nor will they create attraction.
What will last long-term is developing yourself and becoming the type of person who women are attracted to, independent of routines and gimmicks.

I create attraction by being direct, upfront, honest, genuine, sincere.

This is how guys stay stuck, and why guys keep giving money to Mystery, RSD, RJ, DYD etc...and never manage to get to the level that they desire, nor do they grow, mature and succeed in other parts of life.

They keep searching for the next big thing. The next magic bullet, the next quick fix. I wonder how those guys who spent nearly $4K for Style's DVD's are doing these days?

Since you mention alcohol, I'll use routines and alcohol as an analogy: Using routines is like the guy who can't approach without having some "liquid courage" first. They can't approach without having had a few drinks.

They are using alcohol as a crutch, just like many people use routines as a crutch, and they'll never learn how to "walk" without them.

I know guys who can't even approach a woman unless they had a few drinks first. These aren't young, socially immature, socially inexperienced guys either.

The sooner one develops their own game and thier own self, and stops using other people's material, the faster they will progress, and the better they will become not just with women, but in all aspects of life.

I have a friend who plans on using the "90% of women masturbate in the shower" routine that he saw on the previews for future episodes of "The Pickup Artist" on VH1

Him and about 1 million other guys too.

And like I said, every hot chick has seen a demonstration of "The Cube" and has heard every routine that you, me and everyone here has, as well as some we haven't, and they have many, many times.

Want to kill attraction faster than a supplicating AFC?

Run "The Cube" on her. Or any other of the other canned material floating around on the various "community" forums or from the many ebooks out there.

Want to create attraction? Be confident, honest, sincere and genuine.

 

[IWillReturnsoon]

No, I'm saying that routines are only for people with *zero* game and social skills, like the 8 guys you see on Mystery's show, and should only be used as temporary stepping stone. Very, very short-term, and again, strictly for newbs.
Exactly...something to start with to remove anxiety..nothing more

But routines and such clash directly with becoming a "DJ" and what being a DJ is all about.

Perhaps you haven't reached that point yet, but routines actually prevent people from progressing. Routines are basically cheating.

I agree too...too many guys want a get good quick method...even while trying to avoid rejection at all costs

If you take a test at school, and already have a print out of the answers, and you don't study, you still pass the test, but did you learn the subject?

When you're out in the field, and things aren't going according to "the script" and you reach into your bag of tricks for a routine, and there isn't one that correlates to the situation, you're SOL
Definitely why i absolutely despise doing routines...ur not being natural what so ever...how u expect the girl to be natural to you?


I've had chicks tell me how these guys spit routines at them, how fake and phoney it sounds, and how when faced with a challenge not in "the script" they suddenly stutter and stammer and don't know what to say or do, so they just run another routine that has nothing to do with what they were talking about.

Yea, just a one sided conversation where the guy could've did fine if he just shut up after the first minute and let her talk

I've also had the same chicks tell me that's part of the reason they were attracted to me, because I'm genuine, direct, upfront and don't use lame "negs" or indirect opinion openers or any of that crap that "the community" says is required.
Thats what true game is, imo...being direct upfront and straightforward. Derek, have u ever read mode one by alan roger currie? You're philosophies sound familiar.

Chicks hate phony guys, and guys who use routines and canned material come across as phony.
Its sad how some guys will even cast away most of their personality to get their **** wet...the goal is fine but the way they go about it...isn't

I'm sure you've heard the term "routine dependency" - that's what happens to a lot of guys. Now, you're saying that it's OK to use them occassionally.
its funny how i bet deep down girls could give a rats ass about routines and liked the guy in the first place but then he blew it.

I'm saying that if you or anyone else is anything but a newbie, you should dump the routines, for the reasons I've spelled out in my first post in this thread.
They are pretty much just all out useless in terms of actual gaming

The sooner one gets their game to the point where they don't need to use canned material, the better. The problem is that most people will become lazy, become routine dependent, and won't progress.
Not only that, but they don't attack the core of what really will get their game better.....unlocking their true, most self assured and charming self. Routines block that away....u most likely develop a Fake Version of that with routines.

Then, they'll be at the point where they're looking for the next opener, the next routine, the next "quick fix" - this whole thread is an example.
Which is funny as its not even the routines that gets interest...its all u..regardless.

Look at the thread starter and his first questions:
"I'm needing some really good fresh ones. Or just interesting games or tricks.
Fluff talk won't last me forever."

Classic example of a guy who has become routine dependent, whose game has failed to progress or has actually regressed because of routines, and who is looking for the next quick fix. And, who hasn't developed himself beyond the "fluff talk" stage and who hasn't learned how to create attraction.

No, fluff talk won't last anyone forever, nor will routines. Nor will they create attraction.
What will last long-term is developing yourself and becoming the type of person who women are attracted to, independent of routines and gimmicks.
Ditto.

I create attraction by being direct, upfront, honest, genuine, sincere.
This is what exactly sosuave needs to realize. That is value in itself...being direct. This sets u much more different than the other players and other guys, as they lie and aren't honest. When ur upfront and straightforward....a woman can finally relax that u are the real deal and aren't hiding anything, u've played ur cards...and she can choose without trying to hide something from you. A win win, even if u get rejected. She did u a favor.

This is how guys stay stuck, and why guys keep giving money to Mystery, RSD, RJ, DYD etc...and never manage to get to the level that they desire, nor do they grow, mature and succeed in other parts of life.
Got to give credit to those guys tho, they are great business men. But the way they take advantage of a guy wanting to learn game, its almost sad...as their using the guy's desperation to get women to their advantage.

They keep searching for the next big thing. The next magic bullet, the next quick fix. I wonder how those guys who spent nearly $4K for Style's DVD's are doing these days?
I think only a small percentage actually had full out success with it. The rest i would doubt it.

Since you mention alcohol, I'll use routines and alcohol as an analogy: Using routines is like the guy who can't approach without having some "liquid courage" first. They can't approach without having had a few drinks.
Or in other words, ur still putting the woman on a pedastal as u believe that she won't like u unless u do it.

They are using alcohol as a crutch, just like many people use routines as a crutch, and they'll never learn how to "walk" without them.
They actually might be able to learn to walk but it'll take a hella of a lot longer to do so

I know guys who can't even approach a woman unless they had a few drinks first. These aren't young, socially immature, socially inexperienced guys either.

The sooner one develops their own game and thier own self, and stops using other people's material, the faster they will progress, and the better they will become not just with women, but in all aspects of life.



I have a friend who plans on using the "90% of women masturbate in the shower" routine that he saw on the previews for future episodes of "The Pickup Artist" on VH1

Him and about 1 million other guys too.
Actually...i think most of the guys watching the show won't even approach period...but the guys who do...yea...they'll think its just the line that got them the girl to like them.

And like I said, every hot chick has seen a demonstration of "The Cube" and has heard every routine that you, me and everyone here has, as well as some we haven't, and they have many, many times.
Reminds me of one of the chapters in The Game where it talks about almost 75% of the girls in there had been approached with a routine, thanks to what happened in Project Hollywood.


Want to kill attraction faster than a supplicating AFC?

Run "The Cube" on her. Or any other of the other canned material floating around on the various "community" forums or from the many ebooks out there.
Thats putting it lightly, its actually DESTROYING the attraction that was most likely there.

Want to create attraction? Be confident, honest, sincere and genuine.

Finally a guy on this forum that agrees with my way of thinking. Its a shame the community stresses "You have to do this in order to get laid" rather than, "This is something that can help u out to achieve ur goal" Its personally why i love direct game. You are becoming the player/womanizer u want to be in the best way. You are honest with ur intentions with her and ur letting her know that u want to pursue something non-platonically. She can either accept it or reject it. Both are win win....as by that point...u've gotten so much succcess that u are actually glad ur getting rejected by some females.

 

[abcd_z]

I can tell that we'll probably never agree on this. To you, a real DJ goes straight for the jugular with direct game, and anything else (indirect game, routines, etc.) is fake, unnatural, and unnecessary.

I, however, feel routines to be a useful tool, even if you're not a newbie. I believe that the ability to spontaneously create things to talk about is great, but that routines can give you the gift of gab on par with any natural.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Derek Flint]

IWillReturnSoon - Great minds think alike Bro!

Actually, about 3-4 years ago, I was asking on this forum, where can I learn "The Cube" and other routines.

Decided that routines and gimmicks and such weren't for me. They weren't genuine, real, didn't do anything for me as far as becoming a better person, so I went in a different direction, which was the original goal of this place.

And that was, to become a "DJ"

Not a PUA, a DJ

I wonder how many people here even know the difference between the two, or how many people here remember what the difference is, and why this place was created?

I've gone to a more "Natural" style, based somewhat on "Direct" (Shark, Badboy, Razorjack) method, but tweaked to my strengths and weaknesses, and not adhering strictly to any particular rule or rules.

I do what works best for me, but it also has to feel right, and it has to be right. When I look in the mirror, I have to be able to look at myself, review my actions and not have any regrets, and part of that requirement was to have ethics.

Imagine that - an "ethical" PUA :crackup:

But in order to do that, I had to be honest with myself.

Being honest, genuine, direct, no treating people with disrespect. No taking advantage of women, or people in general. Being honest with not only others, but especially with myself. Taking responsibility for everything that happens in my life, good or bad. No lies, no excuses, no BS, no fakery, no games, no being vindictive, or "getting back" at people for the perceived wrongs they've done me.

Doing the right thing, taking responsibility for my actions, even if there will be negative consequences for doing so. Standing up for myself, and for others if they can't do so for themselves, but not being a "Captain Save-a-Ho". And not being a "Hater"

Don't mistaken my critcism of MM for being a Hater. I personally like Mystery, but just don't like the deceitful elements of his methods and will point it out to others. They can make their choice from there, but they should be given as much info as possible before making that decision.

For example, 3 or 4 years ago, I was going to take an RSD bootcamp/workshop. Had I not read some of the posts about RSD on this and other forums, I would have made IMO a huge mistake taking an RSD seminar, which I ended up deciding against.

Ironic that you mention "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie, as I just checked out his ebook and not only is it pure gold, it makes a ton of sense on numerous levels, and it is also the direction I was already headed, so maybe it was just fate or whatever, but again I have just done a quick read, but like I said, it's next in the natural progression of where I'm heading so it makes sense. Have you read it and if so, give me your thoughts on it.


As for "abcd_z" this isn't about "my way or no way" it's about sharing my experiences with "the community" and the various characters and techniques in the community I've come across, and posting them, and trying to help others.

I don't come here and brag about the HB9 I banged the other night, or whatever. There was a time when I did, but I moved beyond needing validation from not only anonymous strangers on internet forums, but also from women.

Yes, there was a time when I used to seduce women more so for the validation I would receive from the encounter, and maybe a little bit, I still do.

After all, getting together with a HB 9 or 10 sure does a lot for the ego, but much like rejection, it matters far less what some HB9+ thinks about me than what I think about me.

Whether they reject me or accept me is low on my list of priorities. Again, it's not important what they think about me, it's about what I think about me, about how I feel when I look in the mirror, and ultimately, when my time is up, how I lived my life.

I believe that's part of the maturation process and about becoming the type of person that not only women are attracted to, but it's about becoming the type of person I wish to become. I've come a long way, but still have a ways to go. Self-Improvement never ends.

Again, there was a time 3-4 years ago when I was asking where I could find routines such as "The Cube" and others. I then spent time out in the field, and came to the conclusion that routines and gimmicks were not only deceitful and unethical but they were a waste of time, didn't contribute to my own personal growth, and the time spent learning them could be far better spent on learning other things that I would better benifit from, both personally and professionally.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

I can tell that we'll probably never agree on this. To you, a real DJ goes straight for the jugular with direct game, and anything else (indirect game, routines, etc.) is fake, unnatural, and unnecessary.

I, however, feel routines to be a useful tool, even if you're not a newbie. I believe that the ability to spontaneously create things to talk about is great, but that routines can give you the gift of gab on par with any natural.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Totally agree. Never believe in anything too much, at the same time, never doubt everything just for the sake of being skeptical, or too close minded. In short, both of you are right. To accuse the other of being wrong is both narrow minded and naive.

Everything a "Non-routine" practicing "DJ" says/does is also something that was learned from somebody else. Nobody here ever came out of their mother's wound knowing how to attract women, how to read, how to speak, etc. Nobody here was born in the delivery room reciting "The Book of Pook" (one for you groupies here!).

Everything you say, from the opening line, to the close (I mean, do you think a statement like "Write down your phone number" is your original thought? No, it is something somebody else coined, and you are using it. Technically, you are repeating somebody else's phraseology, therefore a routine), has been used before.

Having strong inner game and being more direct, without the use of canned material, and using routines and scripts, etc. are not mutually exclusive, and that is what abcd_z is trying to say. Like him, I am successful using some canned material (which I mostly rephrase to apply to my situations), and a lot of direct and inner game. Just because you're good or exclusively using one doesn't mean the other doesn't work.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Just want to say I used the 5 question game yesterday and got 4 free drinks and 3 numbers with high interest. Thank you.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Just want to say I used the 5 question game yesterday and got 4 free drinks and 3 numbers with high interest. Thank you.

So what will your next sets with these women consist of?

 

[Gangster Of Love]

So what will your next sets with these women consist of?

Hopefully the same as if he had opened with something else and had gotten the 4 drinks and 3 numbers not using the question game. It is not complicated, really.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hopefully the same as if he had opened with something else and had gotten the 4 drinks and 3 numbers not using the question game. It is not complicated, really.

So which game? Which routine? Is he going to just run a different routine whenever the see each other? Is there some limitless fountain of routines which he can pull from? Is that SoSuave? How long will he be able to keep it up and keep their interest? Is keeping women interested really that simple?