Ross jeffries the godfather of the seduction community?

[eli77]

I read his first book very influential throughout the 90s. Like a lot of people was a firm believer in nlp! What are your thoughts?

 

[Black Widow Void]

A lot of respected scholars, psychologist etc... dismiss neuro linguistic programming (NLP) as "pseudo-science" I always thought to myself that it was silly and no one in their right mind could be influenced... however, I now think differently on the matter.

Out of curiosity, I applied NLP twice and in both cases I saw drastic differences in their behavior. Of course it was only twice and it could be coincidental, but it was enough that I never wanted to try it again. Some of you might be thinking.."but if it was successful, why not continue?" The reason was that I felt guilty.

Here are my two situations:

I was at a party and trying to put the make on a girl. My efforts kept getting interrupted by others at this party. She wasn't getting hit on, but she was fairly popular in this crowd. I was getting tired of her attention getting misdirected and so, I started using embedded commands. Instantly, she had this gazed sort of look and when interrupted, she'd briefly acknowledge them, but not engage them. Instead, it was like she was hanging onto every word I said.

The second time was while on break at a temporary job assignment. It was the last day of the assignment and figured what they heck, I'll apply it to this girl just for kicks. After a few lines, she had this "deer caught in the headlights" look. I posted about this situation on alt.seduction and some members referred to this as the "doggie dinner bowl" look.

I am all for scoring with as many women as we can, but I just didn't feel right about using this sort of method. Maybe these two situations were coincidental or maybe they weren't. All I knew was that in good conscience, I couldn't do this any longer.

 

[eli77]

He bumped heads with neil strauss awhile back.

 

[Ricky]

His stuff was good and seeing an ad for speed seduction in the mid 90’s was my introduction to PUA.

when i first heard his stuff, i wondered how i could possibly use it without it sounding strange. In a sense you would talk differently than most would in a conversation… it didn’t seem easy to work in

However, when i found an opening… it became easier and easier to use concepts similar to what Ross mentions and NLP in general. It kind of works below the level of consciousness with a woman..

the next level came with neil and mystery. They created a framework… attract, comfort then seduce. So it all made more sense why opening with speed seduction was difficult.

once applied at the right stage it worked well

 

[eli77]

So true

 

[BeExcellent]

No. That would be Giovanni Casanova. But there were other great rakes before him.