Nutz
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I just saw the Men's Rights thread and read the Roosh article. I'm going to post what I formalized as my position a while ago when Paul Elam tried to attack "game" by championing his own style of game (get a shower, go meet people, etc).
Game/Pickup and the Men's Rights Movement both fall under the lager umbrella of the Men's Movement that's taking shape. Both are in response to the social and legal changes we've witnesses over the last several decades, largely as a result of feminism.
While the Men's Rights Movement seeks legal equality for men and to correct some mistakes brought about by overzealous feminists and the politicians that pander to them, Game/Pickup seeks to give men the skills and tools to operate in the social and legal framework that's going to be with us for some time. Game is just one flavor of MGTOW. Some guys would rather win the game by not playing it, so they move overseas to less feminized nations. I don't have a problem with at all, in fact if you're going to live in the US the rest of your life I strongly suggest you live in a non-westernized nation for at least a few months in order to get some perspective. Others find "pickup gurus" to teach them how to get sex without much investment, or how to find quality women to have relationships with (the end-game goal is entirely up to the practitioner). Again, the usage of Game is only one of several ways of MGTOW.
Now, my biggest problem with the Game/pickup community at the moment is the lack of infusing their teachings with some key elements of the MRM, chief among them IMO are the issues of false rape accusations and absurd child support calculations, and how fickle women can be combined with how marriage can utterly ruin you if you don't prepare for contingencies (eg divorce theft), as well as the reality how women get to have choice post-conception, but men only have responsibility. These issues are very real risks for those who are learning how to be social, going to bars, and trying to get laid/have relationships.
If you are like me and teach Game in one way or another, you need to start advising men of these risks! To not do so is hugely irresponsible as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to go full MRM, but advising them of the issues I posted above, as well as pointing them in the direction of A Voice For Men, Girl Writes What, and the mensrights reddit are a good start.
Game/Pickup and the Men's Rights Movement both fall under the lager umbrella of the Men's Movement that's taking shape. Both are in response to the social and legal changes we've witnesses over the last several decades, largely as a result of feminism.
While the Men's Rights Movement seeks legal equality for men and to correct some mistakes brought about by overzealous feminists and the politicians that pander to them, Game/Pickup seeks to give men the skills and tools to operate in the social and legal framework that's going to be with us for some time. Game is just one flavor of MGTOW. Some guys would rather win the game by not playing it, so they move overseas to less feminized nations. I don't have a problem with at all, in fact if you're going to live in the US the rest of your life I strongly suggest you live in a non-westernized nation for at least a few months in order to get some perspective. Others find "pickup gurus" to teach them how to get sex without much investment, or how to find quality women to have relationships with (the end-game goal is entirely up to the practitioner). Again, the usage of Game is only one of several ways of MGTOW.
Now, my biggest problem with the Game/pickup community at the moment is the lack of infusing their teachings with some key elements of the MRM, chief among them IMO are the issues of false rape accusations and absurd child support calculations, and how fickle women can be combined with how marriage can utterly ruin you if you don't prepare for contingencies (eg divorce theft), as well as the reality how women get to have choice post-conception, but men only have responsibility. These issues are very real risks for those who are learning how to be social, going to bars, and trying to get laid/have relationships.
If you are like me and teach Game in one way or another, you need to start advising men of these risks! To not do so is hugely irresponsible as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to go full MRM, but advising them of the issues I posted above, as well as pointing them in the direction of A Voice For Men, Girl Writes What, and the mensrights reddit are a good start.
