Review of Pickup styles

[Ricky]

I have been wanting to post my thoughts on this for a while, but haven't really had time. I will get the general idea down and elaborate on it for you.

In my field experience, I have tried several things I have learned on this board/and or observed with others. I wanted to review a couple of the common pickup styles with you and what my results have been.

1) The comedian/funny guy: This was the guy I was for most of my early 20 to mid 20's . I could get girls laughing to the point where they peed there pants. But guess what? This didn't seem to increase attraction. My success rate was low. My buddies loved it, because they laughed to when I talked to the girls. Everybody had a great time. But guess what? Being funny is not on it's own seductive and very well could be counter seductive. This led me to my next phase

2) Ross Jeffries/Speed Seduction methods and talking about feelings

After a bout (ok several years) of less than stellar performance, the funny guy routine didn't seem to cut it for initial meetings. Now I never did by or listed to much of Rosses stuff, but I did get the gist from newsletters and newsgroups. I admit though, I was lazy and still havent' given this a full shot. But talking about feelings and getting a girl in a better mood through words, most certainly helped. In fact this was good enough to get a few dates and lays on it's own. But something in my style with was missing. I was a touchy feely words guy, but lacking a bit of the sexual nature. I have always been a nice guy and am in good shape, but I have been passive. This is where this technique failed me because I didn't know as much about being sexual. Another problem with this technique was and remains to be the fact that I am not comfortable generally doing this with a crowd or other people. If I have the girl in isolation, then it's fine. So this technique by it's own is ok.

3) The nice guy conversationalist.

I started to dress better. Then I started to keep the conversations way more casual when I first met a woman. This is the best method for getting the girl at ease. I started to place less emphasis on each interaction and was anything but needy. In fact if anything I started to keep the girl guessing if I was even in the least bit interested in dating her! READ THAT AGAIN, because it is gold. This worked in the last couple of years to get me tons of numbers and dates and eventually lays. But guess what, after a few dates and even sex, this gets boring and predictable. So I had to try a few more things I had learned

4) ****y and Funny

I always could do the funny guy act. But it was always more self deprecating ala Rodney. Girls would laugh but I wouldn't score. Now I used my natural humour skills and read David Deangelo's stuff. (Not the Advanced stuff yet though). Well guess what for a few weeks, I thought this **** was 100% gold. And it still is for talking to 9's and 10's at least I thought. But guess what, this stuff is like a poison, a little bit is OK, but it is way to easy to be to ****y. I had one girl call me an ******* after just a little bit on this.

In any event, this method must be used carefully. I do like to throw it in from time to time especially when I'm getting to predictable and boring.

4) KINO

Yes I scored once using this as pretty much my sole technique. I got from meet and greet to bed in less than 100 words it seemed. What made it easy at this party was that the HB was sitting next to me. The whole group was talking and I just started by subtly touching her. As it was late already, we were watching a bit of TV and little by little the group starting whittling down as people left the party. I did a patented sweet talk line and started kissing her and the rest was history. It was great, but..... Later on there wasn't much rapport. This could work, but I like building rapport.

5) Finally, where I am now is that I am always seeking to learn. I am interested in getting Doc Loves System, but haven't shelled out the coin yet due to mixed reviews. I would also like to get David D's advanced stuff. If I had any friends that were as interested in self improvement as I , I'd probably have already split the cost and done it. Maybe I can work a deal with some people on this board. PM me if you are interested.

I will post more on this thread later. I guess If I had to recommend a style, the laid back approach where you ask the girl questions but don't really act all that interested would be the one I'd recommend. It puts the girl at ease and is the best method for creating inital rapport and getting the number. But past that, many other things are needed for interest level and that is exactly why I'm interested in Doc Loves stuff.

I'll get back to this in a bit.

 

[So pimp its scary]

I like to refer to Robert Greene when talking about pickup styles...
Here is what he has to say on the subject :

1. Siren : This is the Marylin Munroe type, whose beauty simply attracts the masses... It's a woman's type, so there is little more to add.

2. Rake : This is the guy that pursues a woman wholeheartedly regardless of the obstacles in his way. His passion for women is simply overwhelming and eventually the woman caves under the pressure.

3. Ideal Lover : This is the person that brings to the woman all of her broken dreams. The hopeless romantic, paints a portrait in the womans' mind that she is living in a fantasy world of the ideals creation.

4. The Dandy : Think Backstreet Boys. These guys aren't overtly masculine, yet they aren't exactly feminine. They are so seductive because they are able to transcend the gender roles. It is well known that people hate the dandies of their own sex.

5. Natural : This person has the appeal of an infant. An innocent charm that most people lose as they grow old. It's weakness is part of its charm.

6. Coquette : This is what we are studying. This is the art of the tease, you are constantly bringing your target between hope and frustration. The coquette is completely self-sufficient, and in love with himself. They move forward and bait their target with some reward, then retreat and allow the target to pursue them. The strategy is to never offer total satisfaction. The constant shift between coldness and warmth keeps the target on their toes.

7. Charmer : This is the person that is always focusing the attention on their target. They are always adjusting to the moods to suit their target. They never argue or fight, or complain, they are always trying to make the target feel good. They are consummate manipulators. They target a persons vanity and self-esteem, and use that to cast their spell.

8. Charismatic : Charisma is a presence that excites us. It comes from an inner quality - self-confidence, sexual energy, sense of purpose, and contentment that most people are lacking. This quality radiates from a person, they seem like saints among men. There is much that can be said about this type, but it is one that is extremely difficult to attain, but once there the seduction will be one of a grand scale.

9. The star : These are people that are societies idols. It's the worshippers that fill the stone with life, like the characters of a movie. They are merely objects, but it's viewers fill the object with life... the idol is but stone, but the worshippers see a god.

(Note that this post was paraphrased and quoted from 'The art of Seduction' - Robert Greene)... I'm not taking credit for any of it... I simply use this information. Read this book.

 

[Ricky]

Yeah I read that, but I don't feel I identify with any specific one. That may very well be because I'm trying out all the different styles as I mentioned. They all work better than sitting back and doing nothing which is the style I chose the majority of my days!

 

[So pimp its scary]

After some great consideration, I found that I fall into 3 of the areas most.

Coquette / rake / charmer.

We are all here learning to be coquette, I personnaly have always just (when I actually did hit on women) went full tilt, and stopped at nothing untill I was with them... It's a strength and a weakness... I've learned to become a charmer, through some of the books that I've been reading about the NLP techniques of macking.

I'm pretty sure that when you just eliminate the repulsive (unseductive) traits from your personality, then your natural seductive style will begin to shine... I found that the art of seduction was a good book as far as learning about the process is concerned, BUT it isn't written in a way that is practically useful.