"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Review my first date? What/ why did I do bad?

Tomo

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Did not message her in the lead up to the date and she messaged me that day to let me know her address (I would have down the track but this caught me by surprise). Went to pick her up and everything all good. She let me know she was busy by 9pm having to organise a female friends boot camp business launch the next day. We stuck to that time.

From the drive to dinner everything seemed to go great. Bit of kino, her laughing at everything I sayd, talked about mutual interests as I tried to make the conversation as much about her as she did about me. It seemed we genuinely enjoyed eachothers company. My hand kept brushing her metal watch and she teased me about trying to make a move. I had no intentions just yet but did hold her hand once we'd finish dinner. I paid - it gives me a way to alternate paying each date.

Then things went awry. It was freezing so we tried to think of other things to do. I suggested relaxing at the local park and giving her a massage (in house thing between us as she's always pestering me for one) but she suggested my car somewhere instead but we could not find any privacy. We ended up going to a place round the corner from hers for dessert but did not as we both were not feeling it.

Then I dropped her off and she gave the typical thanking me for the night etc. I don't think she said anything about enjoying it but. I got out as she got out of the car and we hugged and SHE was the one that went straight for the kiss. It was two quick kisses but before she raced off into her house.

So how did I go? I feel I may have let myself down a bit here and there. Furthermore even though we kissed, I did not feel it. I guess I am normally use to things being a bit more passionate. How low do you guys think her interest level is? I am not sure whether to go on a second date for both my sake in if I am interested and hers.
 
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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jurry

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Who cares? If you enjoyed it ask her out again sometime, if not don't. Go out with other girls too.

Sounds like it went pretty well though from what you're saying. Going to a park alone to give her a massage seems a bit odd on a first date, but hey whatever works man.
 

Tomo

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Ahhh k, cheers man. Thought I'd just get some idea of how I went as a barometer on how to improve my future dating ability. Yeah we were at a marina overlooking parkland and a beach so my original plan was to finish dinner, go for a walk then relax there with a blanket but that fell through as you see and she suggested we stay in the car and find a car park somewhere.

So is this how dates normally go? I guess I thought my kiss close would have been different. Maybe I am just use to a heavy make out from prior engagements.
 

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The park massage thing is weird.

Sounds like it went well. She went in for a kiss at the end. Good.

If you had a good time and you are interested in seeing her again then follow up. Don't worry too much about what's going on in her head. If she's not feeling it she will make it obvious.
 

Tomo

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Haven't recieved no 'Thanks I had fun last night' text from her. Do I need to initiate things if I am seeing her as usual in another days time during night class?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Use the phone to get her on another date and keep the phone convo short and to the point. When you see her, kiss her hello on the lips like you've been dating for months. Her interest in you is higher than yours. Good job man. Remember that she went in for the kiss. She's waiting for your call now to see if you're interested. Give her the gift of missing you a little.
 
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