"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Retail girls?

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Way to miss the point completely champ. I was merely stating that people who work in retail are under this instruction. If you believe that to not be the case that's your prerogative. For what its worth I have also got numbers from a few retail assistants in the past but in every instance it hasn't been from a girl who was assisting me rather from a cold approach.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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jocca said:
I actually have to agree with Zarky on this issue. Have worked in retail a bit in the not to distant past and the first piece of advice I got given from the manager was to flirt with as many girls as possible. Having said that, despite not being paid on commission we were assessed on the amount of sales we ran through it may be different elsewhere though of course.
dude, nobodies arguing the fact that people aren't paid to flirt. we all know they are. we're saying that it is still possible to get a girl attracted to you even if she is paid to be nice to you originally.
 

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jocca said:
Way to miss the point completely champ. I was merely stating that people who work in retail are under this instruction. If you believe that to not be the case that's your prerogative. For what its worth I have also got numbers from a few retail assistants in the past but in every instance it hasn't been from a girl who was assisting me rather from a cold approach.

he actually understood your point completely, you just didn't realize by agreeing with zarky you were saying that people can't get numbers from girls at work.
 

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Fair enough was more trying to clear the air from the first number of posts I saw that seemed to think that retail assistants were only told to be nice and not flirtatious. If I missed the mark thats my bad though (admittedly I am sleep deprived atm :whistle: )
 

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A girl around my age, (19) maybe a year or 2 older came up to me asking for help and what not.. That's a given, but I began flirting with her and initiating kino a little. I was getting positive responses from her. Whenever any other customer came in she would ask them if they need help then quickly come back to me after they said no or she was finished helping. So I wasn't sure if it was her just using her sex to try and get me to come back to the store or she was genuinely interested.
You know how you become sure? You go for it and you see for yourself. We can't give you the answers and the opportunities you turn down. You were in that situation and you decided not to go for it.

Sure I can tell you a story about a success or a rejection but in the end does it matter? No.

In the future, take a chance and quit asking pointless questions. Shut up and do things.


Can someone close this thread? This conversation adds no value to the OP or anyone else here.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Zarky said:
She wanted to make a sale.


Every single man in history.


Take a wild guess.


Wise man.

For chrissakes leave women alone when they're working. They just want to get through the day without being fired, get their paychecks and go home, same as everybody else. They're paid to be nice. Please don't resort to flirting with people who are paid to be nice to you and then think they're somehow interested in "more." It's like guys who get a lap-dance from a stripper and then ask for the stripper's phone number. Ridiculous.

Not always true. Retail girs or girls who work in the service industry are human too. So if they see a guy that they think are hot, they will flirt just as any other woman would.

Its quite defeatest thinking to just assume that if someone thinks a girl is flirting with them and showing IOIs its just to get them coming back to spend more money.

Ive been flirted with and ended going out with, date, and fyck women who initially showed interest and who worked in department stores, banks, restaurants, car dealerships, etc. When I notied there IOIs I didnt stop and think, " Ohh, this girl is only after my money. Therefore, Im not going to talk to her". I just did what I wouldve normally done and responded with my own flirting. If I wouldve accepted the idea that these women were not really interested in me, I would have missed out on alot of fun and good experiences.

I think the OP shouldnt be discouraged and if his gut feeling is that the girl is interested, he should follow through and talk to her. Otherwise he could be missing out on alot.

Note: I think strippers at strip clubs are a prime exception. I dont go to strip clubs but if a stripper is fliring with me I would automatically assume that shes just after my dough.
 

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Zarky said:
She wanted to make a sale.


Every single man in history.


Take a wild guess.


Wise man.

For chrissakes leave women alone when they're working. They just want to get through the day without being fired, get their paychecks and go home, same as everybody else. They're paid to be nice. Please don't resort to flirting with people who are paid to be nice to you and then think they're somehow interested in "more." It's like guys who get a lap-dance from a stripper and then ask for the stripper's phone number. Ridiculous.

Not always true. Retail girs or girls who work in the service industry are human too. So if they see a guy that they think are hot, they will flirt just as any other woman would.

Its quite defeatest thinking to just assume that if someone thinks a girl is flirting with them and showing IOIs its just to get them coming back to spend more money.

Ive been flirted with and ended going out with, date, and fyck women who initially showed interest and who worked in department stores, banks, restaurants, car dealerships, etc. When I notied there IOIs I didnt stop and think, " Ohh, this girl is only after my money. Therefore, Im not going to talk to her". I just did what I wouldve normally done and responded with my own flirting. If I wouldve accepted the idea that these women were not really interested in me, I would have missed out on alot of fun and good experiences.

I think the OP shouldnt be discouraged and if his gut feeling is that the girl is interested, he should follow through and talk to her. Otherwise he could be missing out on alot.

Note: I think strippers at strip clubs are a prime exception. I dont go to strip clubs but if a stripper is fliring with me I would automatically assume that shes just after my dough.
 
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