"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Rejection after Rejection

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Is all I get... I know I got to keep a positive attitude, but it's been really getting to me now. Whether it's in the field, or online, it's always the same answer "sorry, but we don't click" or "I'm just looking for friends right now" Honestly, I know it shouldn't get me down, but it is. I'm 26 years old, I have a decent job, live comfortably, but always get the rejections. :(

A rejection should be just a chink in the armor, but enough chinks, and the armor starts to crumble. At least that's how I see it.

I guess I'll have to accept my fate, that my only source of pvssy will come in the form of paid escorts. Considering I'm still a virgin, may as well make the phone call.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Don't give up man. Failure isn't a permanent state.

I'm still pretty new to the game, but one thing that has really helped reduce the sting of any "rejection" is for me to spend at least 30 minutes getting "warmed up", meaning talking to people that are paid to talk to me, people at work, etc. before doing any cold approaches.

I remember last week I got shut down pretty hard by a group of two chicks, but laughed it all off on my way out the store. I could've given two sh!ts that they didn't want to see me again.

One more thing: I read this article by Dr. Alex (Tao of Dating) today that's probably the best article I've ever read about taking risks / rejection. It has to do with reframing yourself and really defining what a rejection means to you. PM me and give me your email and I'll send it to you.
 

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donjuanapprentice01 said:
Is all I get... I know I got to keep a positive attitude, but it's been really getting to me now. Whether it's in the field, or online, it's always the same answer "sorry, but we don't click" or "I'm just looking for friends right now" Honestly, I know it shouldn't get me down, but it is. I'm 26 years old, I have a decent job, live comfortably, but always get the rejections. :(

A rejection should be just a chink in the armor, but enough chinks, and the armor starts to crumble. At least that's how I see it.

I guess I'll have to accept my fate, that my only source of pvssy will come in the form of paid escorts. Considering I'm still a virgin, may as well make the phone call.
Find a fat chick or something. Or just a chick in your league. There is ALWAYS a chick in your league... you will just have to lower your standards.
 

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I don't believe anyone should have to lower their standards. I'm ugly as **** and still managed to pull some 8-9s as an AFC. How are you going about approaching these girls? Are you recognizing signs of intrest before going in for the kill? Already I'm learning you have to know when to eject out of there to save face.
 

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Re:

give us some scenarios and also pay attention to your body language, vocal tone and such.

The first thing you must do is not really care about the outcome
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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mattb717 said:
I'm ugly as **** and still managed to pull some 8-9s as an AFC.
Please tell us how you did that.
 

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donjuanapprentice01 said:
Is all I get... I know I got to keep a positive attitude, but it's been really getting to me now. Whether it's in the field, or online, it's always the same answer "sorry, but we don't click" or "I'm just looking for friends right now" Honestly, I know it shouldn't get me down, but it is. I'm 26 years old, I have a decent job, live comfortably, but always get the rejections. :(

A rejection should be just a chink in the armor, but enough chinks, and the armor starts to crumble. At least that's how I see it.

I guess I'll have to accept my fate, that my only source of pvssy will come in the form of paid escorts. Considering I'm still a virgin, may as well make the phone call.

Which ever way you look at it, its costs money anyway.

not that i advicate sleeping with prostitutes but if this is what you feel you must do to dip the wick, go for it.
After all dating and women COST MONEY anyway.
At least with a prosi' you know where you cash is going and you are guaranteed a fu**.

No i have never been with a prosi' but i can see why alot of men do!

As for rejection after rejection, we all go through it, it is the ppl that transcend it that succeed.
Cant make an omellette without breaking a few eggs my man!

Keep in there! Soon enough after all these rejection or what ever something will change or snap and at this point success may come.

I remember a time i went without sex for about 2 month, man was i annoyed one night i went out just like any other, not looking for sex, i had in my mind i could not get it anyway, i was sick of trying and tbh it really was not happening for a while (it happens) this one night i am sat with a mate and a fit big breasted blonde, was sat near us, i simply started chatting not trying to get sex out of her! Since i did not think she wanted sex and low and behold i was on the nest that night, funny how things go.
 

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Hey man,

I always push the whole "don't even try" thing...and I'm gonna suggest the same thing to you. So what if you're a virgin!? I'm an exotic entertainer...yes I get paid to take my clothes off and perform for women...and I've only gone all the way with 2 women...so what!?! I know I'm a catch, and at the same time, I'm not gonna go screw as many as women as I can, just cause it makes me "more of a man", etc...I'd rather really be into a girl before gettin into her if you know what i mean :D ...

I think the best thing you can do is focus on yourself! Focus on becoming a better person, and improving yourself in the areas of your life that are important to you! Always, always, always focus on improving yourself! Don't try to pick up girls. I quit trying to meet girls A LONG time ago, and you know what, girls regularly approach me now, even when I'm out at the bar as a "civilian" when I'm not performing.

The things that are important to me are my career (school at this point), dancing/performing, fitness, and trying to be the best person I can be... find what's important to you and focus on getting good at it...obviously it will help your case if you choose activities that enhance your chances with women, but I don't need to tell you that! Try fitness for example...

When you get down mentally like you seem to be in this post, it shows up on the outside man, trust me... on stage, if you're scared/not confident, etc...the girls will know, and you don't perform well. Same thing goes in real life...how you feel inside transfers to the outside! You gotta do stuff/focus on things that make you feel good/confident...and quit trying so hard! Good luck man!
 

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Every rejection is just one NO closer to a YES!

Remember, its all a numbers game. Eventually, that yes will come along, provided you keep trying.

Think about it that way the next time you get rejected. Then say "Thanks." and walk away. That girl just helped you get one step closer to your next date!

Its all about turning negatives into positives.
 

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whoops wrong thread!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Ace of Flames said:
Every rejection is just one NO closer to a YES!

Remember, its all a numbers game. Eventually, that yes will come along, provided you keep trying.

Think about it that way the next time you get rejected. Then say "Thanks." and walk away. That girl just helped you get one step closer to your next date!

Its all about turning negatives into positives.

I agree 100% actually i agree 1000%

It is about opening the numbers, women are not black and white.
Eventually no matter what game you play you will get a women that digs what ever shi* your spinning.
 

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donjuanapprentice01 said:
Is all I get... I know I got to keep a positive attitude, but it's been really getting to me now. Whether it's in the field, or online, it's always the same answer "sorry, but we don't click" or "I'm just looking for friends right now" Honestly, I know it shouldn't get me down, but it is. I'm 26 years old, I have a decent job, live comfortably, but always get the rejections. :(

A rejection should be just a chink in the armor, but enough chinks, and the armor starts to crumble. At least that's how I see it.

I guess I'll have to accept my fate, that my only source of pvssy will come in the form of paid escorts. Considering I'm still a virgin, may as well make the phone call.
It happens time to time. You just need to found your mojo again (or just find it if you are virgin). There can be two reasons for rejections.....first you are some sort of extreme.....too good looking, too ugly, trying too hard or too aphatetic.

Considering you are real newbie (virgin) you probably are nervous or eager at some point. Work on that.

About the internet dating.....forget it....chicks there are just bored, they pretend too much and there are only ugly or psycho ones on the internet. Real life experience is much better.

Go step by step.....it will take you a few months to some results anyway. Dont go for ugly or psycho chicks only for sex...its not worth it.
 

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Ace of Flames said:
Every rejection is just one NO closer to a YES!

Remember, its all a numbers game. Eventually, that yes will come along, provided you keep trying.

Think about it that way the next time you get rejected. Then say "Thanks." and walk away. That girl just helped you get one step closer to your next date!

Its all about turning negatives into positives.
I disagree it is no way a numbers game, but anyway I have no clue how your game is because you didn't explain how you approach but certain stuff that I had to sharpen are as follow:

My outer game (The stuff that I use and how I use it)
Bodylanguage (Making sure I have tight BL)
Voice tonality (Able to be heard instead of her not hearing what I said)

Outer game is more varied because maybe at the opener is where your having problems, what I like to do is after I get rejected play back everything you did and the stuff that weren't so good that lead her to reject you. Rejection isn't failure once you think like that because now you get to learn what your doing wrong so next time it won't happen.
 

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what you need to do it is this, find a style that fits you ( not that you like ) but brings out your best features makes your most open to women.

you want to aim for a style..you can be consistent in.

I disagree with DanelMadr about ugly chicks part , go for fat or ugly or milfs as for practice and boosting your confidence..how can you suddenly go from nothing to HB 10 without some practice ? It can becoming depressing if you keep holding out for HB10. ...

What Ace Of Frames said, read "rejection collection" in the bible its a good one.

you want to keep going @ still with your confidenc in your hand,,like one guy said, find your mojo. This what helps me get going again.:: When I go clubbing, to get warmed up I go for my first rejection immediately so as get me riled up and then I become more proactive in talking to girls. it can get depressing for you but dont show it in the field, in the field its business period, after then you can think about it, I goto gym when I have these days seems to balance things out.

It might take a while for you to get to a point where your happy..


p.s. stay away from the strip joint or escorts..IMO. its fun for a while but it can get addicting...
 
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Distant Light said:
I disagree it is no way a numbers game, but anyway I have no clue how your game is because you didn't explain how you approach but certain stuff that I had to sharpen are as follow:
so what are you saying it all depends on your game and your game will work on all the women the same ?

I tend to have a different style of ****y + funny that syncs well with some personalities so, personality -wise enough if there is attraction , there has to be some mental and emotional attraction from your personality which helps to seal the deal so to speak.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Whether it's in the field, or online, it's always the same answer "sorry, but we don't click" or "I'm just looking for friends right now"
Start posting DETAILED FRs so we can see where you're going wrong. If you're unknowingly making mistakes, how are you going to learn from them if someone doesn't point them out to you?
 

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Desdinova said:
Start posting DETAILED FRs so we can see where you're going wrong. If you're unknowingly making mistakes, how are you going to learn from them if someone doesn't point them out to you?

the guy is prob not good looking and hes goin after girls that ARE good looking........in cold approach scenarios, things only work out when the girl is ATTRACTED TO UR LOOKS INITIALLY


djapprentice - hit the gym, work on ur look and THEN approach the cute girls, u wont get rejected as much
 

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Hi there. I haven't read all of the thread but here's my take on this...

Rejection...

First... realise that every mistake you make is a step towards success, as long as you learn from them and don't repeat them. Mistakes give you very valuable feedback.

As time goes by and if you are motivated enough your calibration skills will get better... you will become better at smeling their reactions and how attracted they are.

Do things in real life rather then online... it works better, the communication is stronger.

Also sometimes rejection is part of her game... she rejects you just to see how strong you are, how much you really like her and whether you are a *****. They do that to sort out the worthy from the unworthy. And very beautiful women do have where to chose from.

The first thing to do is to start believing in yourself, get the self esteem you need to properly handle every sittuation. Realise the unique creature you are and don't pretend to be someone else... Just you with more confidence. LEAD!

The second things is to be open and show your intentions from the beggining... and discover the commonalities between the two of you... be really interested in finding more about her... in finding out the story of HER life... make it about HER... make her talk about herself... the more she opens... the more she will feel comfortable around you and the easier it will be to advance things... to whatever you want from her... the choice is in your hands from then on...

i will tell you my story in a later post and you will understand all these things in detail... so far i hope this helped.
 
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It's time to go on a Newbie mission again. Dress well, and go to a mall, and just go up to different women you like and say 'hi' to them, bump into them 'accidentally' or try any opener that you want. Now that you are frustrated, you'll try harder, and may get somewhere. You'll feel better, and when your mood is back on again, get back into the program. As far as those who rejected you - NEXT them, tell them to their face - "that's great, because I was just practising on you for a real hot babe and I was getting pretty bored with you anyway, NEXT!" - which is the truth anyway. Anyone who rejects you simply means you can no longer practise on them, and you have to practise on someone else until you get good.
 

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Luke Skywalker said:
. As far as those who rejected you - NEXT them, tell them to their face - "that's great, because I was just practising on you for a real hot babe and I was getting pretty bored with you anyway, NEXT!" - which is the truth anyway.

That's lame. Just move on. Luke, remember you're here to learn.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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