"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Reframing Rejection & Overcoming Misogyny

Johnny Soporno

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An alarming number of men I meet, whether 'Community' guys, or just disheartened AFCs, have developed an open hostility towards women - sometimes bordering on genuine misogyny. This is never helpful for anyone, and it ensures an extended or perhaps permanent form of existential misery to anyone who suffers from it.


Whenever I discover these symptoms, I try to root-out the source of their contempt, resentment, and pain - to see if there's an appropriate way to reframe their situation so that they can benefit from it, instead of wallowing in self-imposed celibacy, or other equally contempt-reinforcing habits.

Most often, I hear the exact same complaints:

I bought her drinks all night, and she left with another guy;
She gave me a phony number;
She never took/returned my calls;
She keeps flaking on me when we make plans...

Or worse still:

I took her for an expensive dinner, a show, a nightcap, and I was all-ready to bring her back to my place - when she told me "Let's Just Be Friends";

Or EVEN worse still:

I took her for expensive dinner after expensive dinner, took her out clubbing, shopping, took her on business trips, paid off her Visa bill... - and she told me "Let's Just Be Friends"!

Now, these guys aren't suggesting that they developed this 'hate-on' for women based upon any of these things happening JUST ONCE - these are the same consistent results they keep getting, time and time again!

So I have frequently tell them this metaphor, to help them reframe their experiences, and to attribute their results to the proper culprits...

You see, I like to go fishing. Every once-in-a-while I'll go out to a gorgeous, deep freshwater lake I know, where the water is absolutely clear - you can see right down to the bottom!

Let me tell you, his lake is teeming with spectacular fish - I'll go out there with my simple rod and reel, settle in for a few hours, and pull in all sorts of really impressive catches!

Now, there are some people I'll notice that will go out to that very same place where I go, hoping to have the same kind of results I do; only these guys will often have gone-out dropped a fortune on gear! They'll have bought themselves a stylin' Escalade, with a tow-hitch for their high-powered motorboat... These guys have will have bought premium gear - all outfitted just-right! Expensive, state-of-the-art Teflon rods, LED-augmented lures, pheromonaly-scented worms, whatever!

They'll go out on the lake, basically to the same place I am, maybe 30 feet away from me... I'll watch them put their hooks on the line and and their worms on the hooks, and I'll watch them toss their lines out into the water.

Now like I said, the water in this lake is completely clear, and you can watch everything as the fish swim right up to their line, sniff around for a moment, and then swim away.

Sometimes you'll see the fish swim up to their line and nibble on the bait -and as the fish are nibbling, the guys will get obvious excited, because they can see the fish too! ...and they'll sit there and watch the as the fish nibble until there's no bait left, and then simply swim away, disinterested.

Sometimes a really beautiful fish will come by and grab their line, and you'll see the guys get into position as the fish starts to swim away with the hook, only to watch in depression as the fish breaks the line, and disappears with their bait...

Sometimes they'll keep the fish on the line, playing it and seeming like their doing things right, to the point where you'll see the fish come right up to the surface! ...and then fall off the line, never to be seen again.

I'll watch their frustration and angst, as they go about setting their gear up again, precisely the same way as before - and their angry distress at having exactly the same results - time and again.

When any of these guys are there, I KNOW they'll have been watching me, as I'm making great pulls with ease, and I can see in their eyes that their stares are filled with daggers... So I'll go up to these guys, in a friendly & supportive way, and ask. 'Wow, lousy day, huh?'

They'll reply, hotly: "Oh, those STUPID, EVIL FISH! They're so manipulative, they're out to get me, they hate me! They just want my bait, but they know I'll keep putting more worms out there as long as it looks like I might get lucky!"

The reality, of course, is that they're fish - and they are doing what's in their nature... and they don't hate us; but they are certainly wary of us, and cautious around us... because they don't want to become anyone's trophy!

So I say to these guys, 'Hey guys! You've got the right equipment; you've got the right bait... but you're not pulling any fish out of this lake?

IN THAT CASE, THE PROBLEM IS YOU! The fish are here! They've been biting all day - it's what you are doing that isn't working.

Stop looking at the fish like they're wicked, nasty, evil fish. They aren't.
They aren't manipulative, they're not scandalous - and there's absolutely no justification to be angry with them.

If you'd been doing things in the way the fish ACTUALLY WANTED, rather than in the ways that you presuppose fish would want, you'd have no-room left in your boat from all the fish!

So take a step back and say 'Gee, why don't I see whether or not what I'm doing is the reason I’m not succeeding?' and stop blaming the objects-of- your-desire for your own inability to pull them in.



Johnny Soporno
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Viking25

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There is a major flaw in your analogy....women are not fish. We function in the same society and follow same rules. Women need us as mush as we need them. And why is it fish biting on your bait?..Because you are good looking?..that didn't make sense.
 

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Viking25 said:
There is a major flaw in your analogy....women are not fish.
True - but in this context, they operate in the same way:

Men go to clubs or other venues where they hope there will be a large number of attractive women. They attempt to get women's attention, often using 'bling' (expensive, flashy things, like cars, jewelery, or expensive clothing) or the offer of food/drink/entertainment/travel etc as a lure [bait].

When the women listen to the guy, accepting drinks/meals whatever which he's offering as enticements, they are still thinking-it-over, determining whether-or-not to 'be caught'.

They, just like the fish, are completely in-the-right to enjoy the bait (drinks, meals, worms, etc) and yet NOT get caught, if the fisherman isn't skillful- enough, and doesn't understand his prey well-enough.


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Haha feeling the fishing analogy... I went today as it goes. Caught a lovely 22pound Mirror carp.

Sometimes they'll keep the fish on the line, playing it and seeming like their doing things right, to the point where you'll see the fish come right up to the surface! ...and then fall off the line, never to be seen again.
Hey, this happens to the best of us... the big one that got away! Why am I talking about fishing on a pick-up site? lol

Nice post fella.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Johnny Soporno said:
Now like I said, the water in this lake is completely clear, and you can watch everything as the fish swim right up to their line, sniff around for a moment, and then swim away.

Sometimes you'll see the fish swim up to their line and nibble on the bait -and as the fish are nibbling, the guys will get obvious excited, because they can see the fish too! ...and they'll sit there and watch the as the fish nibble until there's no bait left, and then simply swim away, disinterested.

Sometimes a really beautiful fish will come by and grab their line, and you'll see the guys get into position as the fish starts to swim away with the hook, only to watch in depression as the fish breaks the line, and disappears with their bait...

Sometimes they'll keep the fish on the line, playing it and seeming like their doing things right, to the point where you'll see the fish come right up to the surface! ...and then fall off the line, never to be seen again.

I'll watch their frustration and angst, as they go about setting their gear up again, precisely the same way as before - and their angry distress at having exactly the same results - time and again.

When any of these guys are there, I KNOW they'll have been watching me, as I'm making great pulls with ease, and I can see in their eyes that their stares are filled with daggers... So I'll go up to these guys, in a friendly & supportive way, and ask. 'Wow, lousy day, huh?'

They'll reply, hotly: "Oh, those STUPID, EVIL FISH! They're so manipulative, they're out to get me, they hate me! They just want my bait, but they know I'll keep putting more worms out there as long as it looks like I might get lucky!"
So I guess you don’t understand fishing and fishermen very well either.
 

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i take it you people dont know who johnny soporno is or the value he just freely gave you
 

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juice veteran said:
i take it you people dont know who johnny soporno is or the value he just freely gave you
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I enjoyed the analogy in the video too, good info here.

Although I do think it's a little healthy when you transfer from AFC to something else to use your anger in a GOOD way. I mean it makes no sense to hate girls you don't even know, but I think being a LITTLE jaded gives guys a new sense of power. Hopefully that phase only lasts a short time though, enough to motivate you to learn to change the situation, like in this analogy.

I think the more you can see through games and understand the polarity dynamic, the less pissed off you'll get. You'll just see nature doing what nature does.
 

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Viking25 said:
There is a major flaw in your analogy....women are not fish. We function in the same society and follow same rules. Women need us as mush as we need them. And why is it fish biting on your bait?..Because you are good looking?..that didn't make sense.
There is a major flaw in your logic... Women dont need us as much as wee need them cause since there are so many more men than women women are constantly being offered companionship and sex where are we has to go out and search for it. That makes females value males much less than we value them, and makes them very picky and full of attitude much of the time.

Deluded man love to think there are more women than men but i am here to tell you that is that was the case they would be chasing us and there would not be so many lonely desperate men....
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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There is always one variable thats constant if you're not pulling wool - you..
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Johnny, we should meet up if you plan on coming to the Phoenix Forum.
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