"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Reason why you see moderately attractive to attractive guys with ugly or very avg.

Why are attractive guys with not so attractive women?

  • They have been dating awhile and she used to be physically fit.

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • The man has a fetish for large women

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • The man has low self esteem

    Votes: 32 86.5%

  • Total voters
    37
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Belmar2009

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I notice this in decent amounts. A guy who is on the good looking side (not GQ) but moderately attractive or attractive with a woman who is not that attractive. Most of these women aren't that attractive becaus they are moderately overweight or obese.

I scratch my head when I see it, since there is no shortage of attractive women out there.

Here are the possible three reasons I can think of.

What do you think?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Big women do it best...believe
 

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I'd say it's a blend of A and C. Guy gets girl, girl gets fat, guy has LSE and won't do anything about it for fear of being alone.
 

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As far as my age bracket goes, as a college/university student: I would say C
 

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Kerpal said:
Yes there is. There is a huge shortage, and that plus the fact that men want sex much more than women do gives women an extraordinary amount of power in the dating game.
You kidding me? I guess a girl has to look like she belongs on the cover of Maxim to be hot?

There is a huge shortage of drop dead gorgeous bombshell type girls,but I think it would be a fair estimate to make that 60-65% of the under 30 female crowd ranges from cute to hot.

I was in NYC once (not even a ritzy area) and saw 40 attractive women IN A ROW, before I saw an ugly or average woman.

I think there is a HUGE SHORTAGE once women get over 35, because that is where OBESITY is the biggest problem.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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D. They have no game.
E. The woman has something extra special special about her.

I know a rock star that dated this fat girl I know for a year. This rockstar has ZERO trouble pulling 8's and 9's whenever he wants. This fat girl has game, and hooks up with lots of player guys. I dont understand it. I've heard she's not the best in bed either. I have no idea what the rockstar dude saw in her. All of my friends have discussed it. "Why is he dateing HER?!?" She has a cute face, but I just dont get it.
 

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Ugly women are insecure and they seek skill to re-secure themselves. Understandable.

The main reason, as you guys can see, is that these guys have low self-esteem.
They take what they can get, they don't have standards and many of them don't have much experience or don't believe they can pull a stunning looking woman.

Be very careful of what you consider ugly though, because in another man's inner eye he may see wayyy more than you can in a girl.

Relationships aren't primarily about looks. Attraction is. (for guys)
 

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It could be various reasons, lack of inner game, maybe the chick use to be hot and fell of (i.e. Briteny spears) maybe the chick is just a side-piece, maybe he is in a slump

who knows? and who cares?

Just means more hot chicks for me

meh
 

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In your eyes those girls are ugly. But in the eyes of their men they are different girls.
That's something you would understand when you grow up.
 

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My cousin is a fairly good looking guy and is also rich. He used to date beautiful women, including plenty of models. When he got married (and it was like after 2 months knowing the woman) we were shocked to find out that his wife was hideously ugly, with an equally sh!tty personality!

Found out after a few drinking sessions that this guy has weak game, and only got all those hotties he used to date because he was their sugar daddy. He didn't believe he could attract hot women without paying so he decided to marry the only one he's ever managed to attract without flashing cash.

It's too early for anything to happen yet, but we can all see the writings on the wall for him in the near future.

Having said that, there's always that song... "So from a logical point of view, marry a woman uglier than you!" :D
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I'm in the Mood said:
Ugly women are insecure and they seek skill to re-secure themselves. Understandable.

The main reason, as you guys can see, is that these guys have low self-esteem.They take what they can get, they don't have standards and many of them don't have much experience or don't believe they can pull a stunning looking woman.

I don't know dude, I don't have the highest self esteem and have very very little experience, but right or wrong, you'll never ever see me with a fat chick.
As far the OPS question, the girl:

a) could treat him well
b) could have alot of fun with him
c) could cook well
d) could give sex well
e) could be rich
f) could be funny

It could be a whole bunch of reasons. It's usually the other way around though, attractive girl with less than stellar guy since guys are very visual and into looks and girls are more about the mind than the body.
 

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i don't think you have the right choice on there. The reason why a lot of guys are with girls below their so called LEVEL is because they're desperate. They'd rather get easy pvssy than hard pvssy or none at all. Sure they may like the girl but i'm positive that in the beginning they would have preferred a more attractive one but through the course of time learned to accept what they have.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
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Ugly women are insecure and they seek skill to re-secure themselves. Understandable.

The main reason, as you guys can see, is that these guys have low self-esteem.They take what they can get, they don't have standards and many of them don't have much experience or don't believe they can pull a stunning looking woman.

I don't know dude, I don't have the highest self esteem and have very very little experience, but right or wrong, you'll never ever see me with a fat chick.
Don't you EVER put words in my mouth.
 

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I don't think women pay attention to slightly good looking guys. In their eyes, you're either hot or not. I would chalk this up to women's ridiculous standards for men.

I'm slightly above average in looks, but not hot. In my experience it gives little or no advantage. A girl who is a 7 is considered doable by many guys. A guy who is a 7 won't attract much female attention unless he has something else going for him like game, money, status, etc. I believe this is why such guys settle.
 

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I'm looking for an average girl as they are generally more fun and easier to get along with. Sadly they all seem to think I'm too good for them or intimidate them :(
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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She wouldn't have the abortion.
 

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I'm not going into the "it shouldn't matter how she/he looks" wonderland, but sometimes it's more about the person than the shape of the person. Having a pulse, a sense of humor, less drama, a good head on her shoulders, being able to do certain things, and a history devoid of certain other things will push a woman to the head of the line faster than a woman with nothing more than a big booty and a smile.

Plus I've seen plenty of times where man and women mess their lives up because they wanted to hook up with some pretty person without knowing what's underneath. Don't believe me? Ask Steve McNair. Wait you can't: he's dead. Ok, how about the folks at junvenile court either dealing with deadbeat dads or no good baby momma's? May be hard because they're busy dealing with judges and lawyers.

My opinion is that if find someone sane and can make you happy, why not? Peace of mind will pay off a lot better than physical beauty because one can be kept and keep you looking and feeling younger while the other can go in a heartbeat. If she's ugly, well, you have to just deal with it unless you can buy her a new face. If she's fat, take her to the gym with you. If she's both, I just hope she makes you happy and you probably don't have to worry about guys taking her.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
As far the OPS question, the girl:

a) could treat him well
b) could have alot of fun with him
c) could cook well
d) could give sex well
e) could be rich
f) could be funny

It could be a whole bunch of reasons. It's usually the other way around though, attractive girl with less than stellar guy since guys are very visual and into looks and girls are more about the mind than the body.[QUOTE]

BullSh*t
 

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The answer is obviously simple. The same reason you see all these nerdy white kids with asian girlfriends

THEY ARE THE FIRST GIRLS WHO SHOWED SOME SERIOUS INTEREST IN THEM!

Most of these guys are either afc nice guys/nerdy/have no game/no experience with girls and could never pull an hb 7 or above. When you see a decent looking guy or a nerdy guy with a less than good looking gf or an asian gf 95% of the time it is their first girlfriend. Most of the time it is also the first bf for the asian girl or the not so good looking hb 7 and below gf.

Think of it as virgins hooking up with virgins. In these sort of situations (decent looking guy with girl of a lesser level than him/nerdy guys with asian girls) the girls did a lot if not most of the work when it comes to showing interest and pushing for a relationship because these guys are too nice/afc to the core to have gotten a girl by themselves. The girls in these relationships saw a nice guy on a higher level than themselves and went after them.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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