"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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R U CREEPING HER OUT-the list.......

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Certain men give off that creepy, stalkerish vibe that women sense the instant you come in close proximity of them. Lets take a look at some behaviors that trigger that eerie vibe that repels most women.

1) PROLONGED STARRING-holding a glance just a wee bit too long. No matter where she is at, the moment she turns he is constantly looking at her. Anything beyond 8-10 seconds without blinking is Ted Bundy worthy.

2) WEIRD LOOKS-a slight smirk on his face, licking of the lips, sly grin, starring, stroking his chin, gazing from afar…….hello Charles Manson

3) ANTI-SOCIAL-virtually no conversation, silent, non-friendly, sneaky, shy, withdrawn, just sits/stands there and looks at you……….Jason Lives part 6

4) WRITES SUPER LONG LOVE LETTERS-his correspondence (emails, letters, voicemail, conversations, texts) go into intricate details.

5) FALLS IN LOVE INSTANTLY-you just met this girl and already talking about how this girl you just met is the one, a keeper, the future. Says I really miss you, very emotional.

6) FOLLOWS YOU-they just happen to show up at the exact same time you go shopping, workout, café house, they just hover and never approach.

7) GIFTS-sends flowers/gifts for no apparent reason on more than one occasion.

8) BRAGS-these guys often have pictures of women for validation, the boast on the numerous women they slept with, etc

9) TOUCHY FEELY-they tend to touch too quickly, hold your hand a bit too long, hugs too long, uninvited touching, etc.

10) TOO OLD-when the age range is 10 years or more, this too can trigger the creepy feeling. Old man hitting on younger girl screams creepy.

11) APPROACHES FROM BEHIND-this is more sub-conscious. Anytime you sneak up on someone, just suddenly appear, approach from behind this auto-triggers an inert defense mechanism.

12) CONVERSATION-asks you to speak real slow, wants to hear about your sexcapades, gets excited when you mention taboo topics, asks for nude pictures, desires phone sex, etc

13) AVATAR-beards, dark sunglasses, Goth-like apparel, wigs/toupee`, poor hygiene`, comb-overs, bad hair dye, black nail polish, etc.

14) STALKER-LIKE-calling often, blocking number, not leaving a message, driving by house/work, asking her friends questions about her, surprise visits, gifts for kids, wants to restrain you sexually, owns handcuffs, masks, hoods, whips, chains, etc

15) TOO ABRUPRT-asks you to come over to his place or yours, ventures out late at night, wants to meet in a secluded area, wants affection right away, gets hostile if he does not get his way, very sexual from the start.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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MisterMcGee said:
This is all obvious stuff.
scribblec said:
i cant believe i wasted my time reading that ;o
I disagree with you guys, I like many of COD's posts

This one was rather interesting and enlightening at certain parts...
 

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most normal men have many of these trates... fact is if a woman likes u and is attracted then she will not have a problem with many of these trates... the less she likes u the more creepy you become to her.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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i agree with dongorgon

if the woman likes you she wont find it creepy except maybe the long stare part lol

but some of this stuff most guys do and if girls dont like well then you prob a creep lol
 

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More than half the stuff in here is directly in contradition with advice from other threads/ articles, especially the part about being sexual right away. I've been advised on several occassions by other board members that I procrastinate too long to be sexual on my dates, and that's why I have a hard time getting to (and never beyond) the kiss close.
 

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bluemanson said:
i agree with dongorgon

if the woman likes you she wont find it creepy except maybe the long stare part lol

but some of this stuff most guys do and if girls dont like well then you prob a creep lol
me too. It's only creepy if she is not interested in you
 

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Anything beyond 8-10 seconds without blinking is Ted Bundy worthy.
I would just like to point out that Ted Bundy was a very normal acting guy (when he wasn't raping and killing women) and women loved him. In fact, while he was in prison on death row, if I remember right, he received over 200 letters from the women that were in love with him.

Not trying to discount what he did, because he apparently morphed into something unbelievably horrid and wretched when he commited his crimes, but I did want to point out the absurdity of using him as an example of someone "anti-social" or creepy because most women and people actually loved his outgoing personality.
 

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I don't agree with a lot of this. I mean sure following her around, writing long love letters etc. is all bad. But the other things like being sexual, looking into her eyes until she backs down early on in interactions isn't neccessarily creepy. If guys can get laid "gunwitch method, alan currie mode one, etc." by being direct with their intentions, hell, even mentioning how they'd like to sex them up right away and get laid that same day, I think some of these pointers deter us from aiming in that direction of direct maleness.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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these are merely behaviors that creep women out, I am talking about non appraoching and early on in relationships.

Go to any bar and do any of these things and get a concensus.

Surely there are ways to act WITHOUT INDUCING this behavior.

I love the part about Ted Bundy.........WHEN HE WASNT RAPING AND KILLING WOMEN AND THEN BARFING ...........AFTER THAT, THEN HE was loved by women.

A ton of women got away and all TESTIFIED he was creepy, persuasive, influencial, twisted and sick. Getting love letters in prison and women loving you while your on deathrow.........not sure if that excludes you from creepy category.

I was going to go into intricate detail of CREEP BEHAVIOR BUT I JUST LISTED THE HIGHLIGHTS.
 

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What is this part about guys 10 years older or more creeping women out? I get told repeatedly in the mature man forum that a man's value increases with age.
 

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no **** sherlock

...besides #10 - whether you are 18 or 80 if you know what your doing result will be the same.
 

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MisterMcGee said:
This is all obvious stuff.
And yet it almost perfectly covers me up until age 16. I have done so many things on that list it's scary, or should I say creepy :p
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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tiptoeing around her knowing youre interested is also creepy. approaching her and not being forward and such even though its obvious you like her is creepy. The girl will feel it's awkward. When you make her feel awkward, then you become kinda creepy... especially when you act like you're indecisive and will drag the awkwardness on forever by doing the same thing over and over. You act like you want HER to make a move, which is creepy.

Of course, being too forward in an awkward way is also kinda creepy depending on how it's done. It's a BIG gray area.
 

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ya see if U have congruence U can incorporate some of the creep list but in-congruency triggers the creepiness.

It basically initiates when U expand upon the mystery, a little mysterious is ok, stretch it too far and U trigger the creep factor. I heard women sayu stuff in emails, at speed dating events, on dates, over-heard conversations all stuff men do that creep them out. Thats why I compiled the list. In not set in stone "DO THIS AND U DEAD", its generic, non-specific. Not the exception but more a rule of thumb.

So, keep your shirt on in those pictures, stop posing all by yourself, and quit hovering around women from the back of the club.
 
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