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Quick question - Overdressing?

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Hi,

So I work in finance and at my job we dress on the upper scale of business casual (no ties). Let's say I work til 6pm and then have a regular coffee date later around 8:30pm.

1. Would you change before your date to something more normal like jeans? I'm 24 and the girls I usually go out with are usually still in college, btw.

2. Forget that I have a date for a sec. I usually change as soon as I get home after work to something more comfortable. Every one else does this too right? I guess that is why I'm wondering if they'll think its weird.
 

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Depends on the date and the venue. The majority of women I've dated weren't too into expensive restaurants or exclusive lounges or clubs where I would have to dress up like that.

Don't get me wrong I have worn a suit for dates but they were usually with a girlfriend or my ex-wife. Someone who deserved a look at a dapper FairShake. I never tried to impress anyone with money or clothing. Only after they were impressed with me did I break out the money and clothing.

But that's me...some guys just really like a suit I guess.
 

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Why would you change? Women love a man who dresses sharp. Find classier hangouts.
 

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SPguy said:
Hi,

So I work in finance and at my job we dress on the upper scale of business casual (no ties). Let's say I work til 6pm and then have a regular coffee date later around 8:30pm.

1. Would you change before your date to something more normal like jeans? I'm 24 and the girls I usually go out with are usually still in college, btw.

2. Forget that I have a date for a sec. I usually change as soon as I get home after work to something more comfortable. Every one else does this too right? I guess that is why I'm wondering if they'll think its weird.
I don't see any problem in remaining in your office attire until you finished all your away-from-home stuff. You're not some runway model type princess who has to make change her clothes and put on her evening makeup.

Men's clothes fit in just as well for a meeting with the boss, with the university dean, or for taking a lady out. Boy's clothes are for skateboarding and orbiting around in the friend zone.

If anything, I'd say that daytime, office casual is sometimes not dressy enough for the evening. You might want to keep a dark jacket hanging (in a zipper bag) behind you in the car -- and put a tie in the pocket just in case.
 

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I actually thougth that one of the dates I had a while back wen't fail due to my dressing. I was wearing XXL polo ecko shirt, 36 size pants baggy and some Jordans, i wasnt really feeling that day to be dressing up. The girl showed up wearing a dress, classy leather jacket, matching with a leather purse. I felt kind of outt of place. She instantly gave me a look. LOL..

So dress up if you have the clothes man. I would rock those suits with pride. :D
 

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Unbutton the top two buttons of your shirt, loosen your tie and let it hang. Then portray yourself with body language that is super chill and relaxed. Showing contrasting characteristics like this that is atypical of guys dressing in suits will make many 'ginas tingle. You don't need to change before you go out.
 

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Jair213 said:
I actually thougth that one of the dates I had a while back wen't fail due to my dressing. I was wearing XXL polo ecko shirt, 36 size pants baggy and some Jordans, i wasnt really feeling that day to be dressing up. The girl showed up wearing a dress, classy leather jacket, matching with a leather purse. I felt kind of outt of place. She instantly gave me a look. LOL..
Always awkward when one party is overdressed relative to the other: I had a date last year where the opposite occurred, I shaved and wore a nice shirt only to have the chick show up looking like she had thrown on whatever was lying on the floor that morning.

Anyhow if you're not wearing a tie then don't button the top button or two. However don't unbutton the top and wear a loose tie, you want to look relaxed not sloppy.
 

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Overdressing is wrong, it seems like you are trying to compensate for something else that you miss.

I see plenty of guidos in jeans and t-shirt scoring high in night places while well dressed guys only get the "good side" of girls.

Our dresses communicate to others much info about us while at the same time influence ourselves, do you feel the same man when you wear tie and shirt compared to when you dress a tank top and jeans? most of all do you behave the same?
 

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I'm all for dressing well, even overdressing. I'm probably one of the strongest supporters of it on SS. BUT young women, especially like college age through low 20s, don't appreciate a well dressed guy.

Like WhoDaresWins said, they end up F-ing the Guido in the tshirt, not the guy in a suit.

Most party chicks will view the well dressed guy as a boring old stuffy businessman, or worse think you're tryhard or gay.

It can work on that rare classy young lady, but not on the other 98 percent.
 

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