"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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UPDATES are at the bottom and will be added as this situation progresses
Okay no time to explain. I'm a virgin. Extreme anxiety around girls. I have a webcam model staying at my house for a few days while my moms gone and I need some quick help.
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Her dad beat we an threw her out of her house and she is trying to do her webcam thing in my bed
 

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There is no quick fix to being bad with women. It takes time, effort, and experience to be able to attract and sleep with women easily. If you're looking for the easy way out, this is NOT the right forum for you.
 

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I know. I am just panicking. I have her sleeping in my bed at least. Where do I go from there. What are some tips on escalating that situation?
 

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Imagine yourself f*cking her silly, then talk to her real close about anything, then put on a rubber and F*ck her silly.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Good advice thanks. Also she is the epitome of girls with daddy problems. I know you guys have advice on this
 

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easiest way is to get her drunk or high or both if you have no game otherwise your going to need a lot of game
 

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nvm, she only strips in front of the webcam. she makes like $300 an hour!

anyways, im supposed to have people over at my house tonight to drink and such, and i have another girl who was the first girl and only girl to ever break my heart coming over (pretty much past the hurt tho) She's like 16 or 17 and a junior in high school. i wonder what shes gonna think of the 20 year old stripper staying at my house haha! this should be pretty interesting. if anything itll make the hb6.5 pretty jealous. i am still a bit doubtful i have the level of confidence to pull the hb8.5 i have here but she definitely has some ****in issues so maybe if i can stop being so intimidated by her exterior beauty i can do something. i should say i have a pretty alpha friend that lives across the street from me that hb8.5 hooked up with a few days ago so she may end up with him because he definitely knows how to get *****es (ive observed him and its all based on his confidence, i dont really see that great of "game" from him but that doesnt seem to hurt him at all)

oh yeah, i was so exhausted last night and she ended up sleeping on the couch, but when i came back home from class this morning she was sleeping on my bed. i just dont know how to show someone i am sexually open because i never learned how. i want to crawl in bed and shes taking up the whole thing. plus i havent initiated the level of contact to where i would do something like that. i really need advice in this area.
 
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i really need advice in this area.
No, you need EXPERIENCE. You need to go out and get yourself rejected. You need to find out what pushes a woman's attraction buttons and what repels them. You need to learn how kissing a woman will make her clothes come off.

And just because she's a stripper, it doesn't mean she's a hooker. She's just the same as any other woman you're afraid to approach.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Ok here's what to do, start by talking to her about anything, get her to feel comfortable with you then you make sexual jokes and such. Act like its something you do all the time, girls can sense when a guy lacks confidence. You could also ask her to give you a free strip demonstration, then as she does that you walk to her and start kissing her. the key to succeeding is confidence, ACT LIKE YOU BANG HOT GIRLS ALL THE TIME and she'll be like putty in your hands
 

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Keep this thread updated, i wanna see how it goes with you and the chick lol
 

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Well here's an update. I got arrested for minor lisession of alcohol and marijuana last night. Neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door before they called the police. The stripper girl ended up sleeping at my alpha friends house so he probably ****ed her. Maybe she'll still be staying at my house tonight. I don't even give a **** now I'm at least gettin a blow job out of this
 

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the third eye said:
Well here's an update. I got arrested for minor lisession of alcohol and marijuana last night. Neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door before they called the police. The stripper girl ended up sleeping at my alpha friends house so he probably ****ed her. Maybe she'll still be staying at my house tonight. I don't even give a **** now I'm at least gettin a blow job out of this
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how did your neighbors know you had weed and liquor in your house???

and my next question is, when the cops showed up how did they go into your house and get the weed and liquor....your house is not like your car where they pull you over and search it, they need a warrant to come in
 

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basically as soon as i opened the door they smelled the weed and had probable cause to search. i mean they did ened a warrant but my mom who has her nme on the lease got in contact with them and okayed the search. i told them they could not come in with out a warrant myself.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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so yeah anyways the hb8.5 did end up staying at my alpha buddies house and both of em showed up with tons of hickeys today XD i called it. anyways i dont care this whole crazy situation has been great learning and confidence boost with women. the only part that sucks is court and fines. also the officer never read me my miranda rights when he arrested me so does anybody know anything about that?
 

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How do you guys get such interesting lives like this?

Fvcking hell man.........

And assuming she's not going to just sleep over your alpha friend's house, its YOUR bed why the hell arent you sleeping in it? If you took charge and took over the bed, she'd probably let you fvck her anyways.
 

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LostAndConfused said:
How do you guys get such interesting lives like this?

Fvcking hell man.........
im only 18 but the stripper is 20 and she use to go to the same high school as me that i know throught a mutual friends. shes a really nice person but just has a self destructive personality (xanax addiction)

And assuming she's not going to just sleep over your alpha friend's house, its YOUR bed why the hell arent you sleeping in it? If you took charge and took over the bed, she'd probably let you fvck her anyways.
honestly this is one of the craziest times in my life right now. shes sleeping in my bed and i didnt make any moves yesterday cuz shes really sick from withdrawls from ultra music festival but i think we're just gonna get ****ed up and we'll just smash tonight after this party we're going to. i really feel my game coming out the more im on this site its pretty cool. if she just keeps hooking up with alpha i dont really care. ive never even lved in the same house as a stripper, this is on the crazier things for me.

i regret my academic life is really suffering in my pursuit of women. i am part of a drug using culture so the two dont go hand in hand well. i could also use some advice related to this. thanks everyone who is following this!
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Absolutely do not touch drugs. They're for depressed beta people. Get out of that culture and into a new one.

Anyway, you know this slvt is no good so just try not to get attached. and if it doesn't work out, no big loss.
i know, i am a depressed beta person. ive defintiely been cutting down, but i have such ****ing bad social skills and depression that some weed and some social drinking helps me meet people who will chill with me even though im depressed and not very interesting (although at least a 7 in look imo) and an 8 for a body
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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