"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Quick help needed, lads

Moneytalks

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I want to fcuk a waitress. It's not one-itis because I don't REALLY know her- I worked with her for 3 hours as she's from our "sister" hotel.

As soon as I saw her, I thought "I will have that". And now that little promise has left me high and dry. I have to rely on chance meetings to see her, so I go up to where she works to 'pilfer surplus goods' to replace things we don't have.

Anyway, I'm thinking I'll take a friend there to have a meal and a pint. If I take a girl will it kill any attraction that she had for me (there was some...I'm sure of it, everytime I see her she smiles at me- just not been much opportunity to actually talk to her) ? Or will it make her think that I'm not desperate for female attention?

I'm not sure how to go about this one.#

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Well before you begin to make a mission out of this has she shown any sort of IOI's that would make you believe she wouldn't deny you to your face? A look and a smile could just be her being friendly, after all she is a WAITRESS. She makes her money through being friendly and flirty and collecting tips.

In any case, you don't know her work schedule. (Unless you really are a stalker) So you're just going to have to show up at the restaurant and just hope she's working, and on top of that HOPE she waits your table. And on top of that, you don't even know if she is currently seeing anybody or even has a husband. Did you see a ring on her finger?

Not trying to blow up your ultimate plan here but it's going to be extremely hard to pull this off without looking like a creeper unless you are entirely smooth about it.

Now, after pointing all of this out you still have a shred of hope then my suggestion would be to show up with a girl yes. Preferably a female friend. That way keeps her guessing and wondering what kind of relationship you have with this woman. Later on during the course of meal you could get up and use an excuse to talk to her while also mentioning something about your "sister" you're having dinner with. Example: "Hello, my sister seems to be having a little trouble finding the rest room. I took her out to dinner for her birthday and I think she might of had one too many margaritas." I know, lame example.. but you get the point. After the ice breaker it should be smooth sailing from there, assuming you know a tad bit of the game.
 

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just be her being friendly, after all she is a WAITRESS. She makes her money through being friendly and flirty and collecting tips.
Not really; I mean...A busy kitchen isn't really the best place to kino and what not. I'm already on a mission, that's all. That coupled with a girl asking me to take her for a drink (I'm underage so I can't even do that) has given me the biggest confidence boost you can imagine.

She came in for dinner with 4 chefs (all male) that I know, I didn't recognise her or see the chefs when they came in and I thought she was just some random girl smiling at me because I had something on my face. The perils of being busy!

Fast forward! We always serve ladies first, and I noticed she blushed a little when I served her.

tl;dr: She's been smiley, a tiny bit flirty and blushed when I served her.

HOPE she waits your table
Chances are I'll see her regardless, if she's working. I used to work at that restaurant and know how the system works.
Regardless, if it's a fruitless effort I still had a good meal with a friend. The waitress is just bonus points.

I was thinking about just going over in my very, very short break tomorrow and getting something that we don't have-a case of wine will do- and if she's working just quickly ask for her number and go.
 

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I think you're really over complicating this.

Remember, you can't bank on ONE single girl. Rejection is part of the pick up scene, but what I'd personally recommend is that you approach her.

Personally, an inner game shift from using the "shotgun" approach method is that I'm really desensitized to a girl to begin with since I've approached so many.

It sounds like you have a bit of a crush on this girl which I think will actually hurt your game, but of course ramps up your infatuation with her.

There's nothing more too it, as far as the girl goes, I'd almost say exclude her, in my experience thus far in Los Angeles, it's only hurt me more than helped me. If you come with ONE girl, that's detrimental, if you arrive with multiple women and a guy or two, that's social proof. Bring an entourage and show her that you command it as opposed to one chick.
 

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I'm not going for a single girl and I don't have a crush on her. I just think that if I can get her, after making a promise to myself, then I'll be happy.

On a side note, went out with my mate (male) for a meal last night, went out to another pub (the two of us) and met another friend there (female). I started chatting up a girl and it was going really well. Problem is, I drink booze like it's water and I had some cider- **** makes me agressive.

I ended up fighting with a Frenchman. Did I win? Damn straight!

The girl left.:nono:
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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lol... I have a couple good friends like you who turn mad aggressive after a few chugs of beer.

If you want a no strings attached deal with this girl, you still have to ask her out. Treat her like any other date, and when the time is right, establish whether she'd like to just be "friends with benefits".
 

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don't waste your time to make some girl jealous that may not even have feelings for you. If she is interested though by any means, it will only hurt your chances.

Talk to her first, about anything if you can. keep it casual and don't go out of your way and don't make her go out of hers. You need a real conversation most of the time before you can tell if a female is interested. Besides an attraction by association is much stronger than an attraction based solely on appearance. Don't hype your crushes up too much or you end up getting your hopes crushed.
 

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I've given up on her now. Just...Not interested anymore.

I'm going out one day next week, when I can get some time off work- visiting some friends at my old college so I'll see how that goes.
 

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If I take a girl will it kill any attraction that she had for me (there was some...I'm sure of it, everytime I see her she smiles at me- just not been much opportunity to actually talk to her) ? Or will it make her think that I'm not desperate for female attention?
Mystery calls it preselection by other females, doc love says Kitty Kats Kompete. If she sees you with other women, her interest goes up.
 
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