"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Questions about Plenty of Fish

parkthebus

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What is your initial message like? I usually say a few ****y jokes in relation to her profile.

Is it incredibly difficult for average looking guys to pull birds on there? If it's based on looks, are they just gonna go for the hottest guys? I know theres girls on there that don't show interest in me but if I had a chance to chat to them it would be a different story. Does anyone else feel this way? I keep getting the uglies. Best I had so far was a HB6 out of 3 matches (not including messages I've sent to randoms), which I'll pork if I can get her to travel to me. But I know I'm at least a 7, maybe an 8 to some girls.

What are your thoughts on the site? Also, tinder is ****ing fruitless.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Slash Dolo

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I'd consider myself in the 8 range. Used to do some amateur modeling back in the day even. Honestly, POF in my experience is horrible. So many unattractive women on there; the attractive ones just use it for attention. I'd bail off that pronto. Just stick to Tinder.

I get a good deal of matches on Tinder but getting them out is a different story because they fall into one of three categories: cold, receptive or attention wh*re. Receptive is the kind of girl you want; they are talkative and will actually meet up; but they're probably the rarest. Cold is someone who may go out with you but is a stuck up c*nt; the best advice is to ball bust her like crazy to get a number out of her. They're more likely to flake though, so it;s best to not waste your time. Attention wh*res are just on there to get Instagram followers or orbiters for their snap chat; if their Instagram/Snapchat/Facebook link is basically all that's in their profile, assume they are attention wh*res and don't bother.

The online world is rough. I could bang at least 90% of these broads in reality; but we're at a severe disadvantage through text alone.
 

Groverz

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Girls on all dating sites are so cold and picky. The **** storm of ****s they get makes them think any guy messaging them is an ass. Meeting in real life seems so much easier
 

Bible_Belt

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I think I'm an 8, and my pics make me look like a 9. The only women who hit on me first are my age and fat.

I've still banged a handful of 7s or so. I had to message them first.

Click on "my city" and set your search parameters fairly strict. Mine is 50 miles (too far) and ages 20-30. I put my age as 34, not 39. There is a 14-year age window, otherwise pof won't let you message the girl. At "34" I can message a 20 y/o. If I put 39, then 25 is the youngest girl it will let me message. You'll see the same faces over and over. What you want is the fresh meat - girls you haven't seen on pof before. They will be the most receptive.

My routine is just to make fun of other guys. It's easy, because guys are such douches.
 
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