"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Question: great pickup spot that isn't

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There is a place in my town which ought to be the greatest pickup spot on earth, but isn't & I'm confused about it. Most places I go (like coffee shops, book stores, etc) I occasionally get a woman making eye contact. But at this place, never.

Let me describe it: it's a hippy-esque whole-foods grocery + cafeteria, with a large outdoor garden where bands play on Thursdays & Sundays. It is always crawling with good-looking women. The culture is that touchy-feely, new-agey, hippy thing. There is a lot of feminism, liberalism, & homosexuality there, yes, but there are TONS of women & not a whiff of real testosterone anywhere in sight.

Should I push harder at this place? Or is it really true that there are places in this world which ought to be ideal hunting grounds, but because of some cosmic joke are the opposite? Perhaps the family-friendly atmosphere is detrimental? For example, anywhere else I go, my chopper is an instant converseation starter. Here, nada.

So what's the popular wisdom re. selection of hunting grounds?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I know what you are talking about. People who go to places like that aren't overly concerned with looks. You might be a good looking guy but unless you have something very unique about yourself you are not going to get mush attention.

I have a friend who's a light skin Puerto-Rican with dreads lol and hes scores like crazy in these type of places cause he dresses hip and his game is tight. Its all about the conversation in these places.

Its good and bad that your not getting looks from chicks there. You have to assume that these girls aren't gonna shoot you down just based on your appearance...... as long as you have something witty to say. Try talking about travelling or cultural things with these people. I personally don't like that scene but good luck. I prefer places with shallow girls just looking to have a good time with a cool guy over the girls at these places looking to have a deep conversation.
 
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Hey Avon, actually I AM looking for LTR (I am 35 Y.O.), so no trouble there. Buck, I am not terribly good looking & I do live by my wits, but I do not look like a hippy, nor am I into all this bull$h1t with the crystals & the beads & the (bastardized) Eastern religions, and that could be the problem. Dreads are probably the right look at a place like that. Maybe the hippies are just as into looks as anybody else, but they're into the hippy look.

Anyway, a buddy of mine just told me that several people he knows have made the same observation independently. I guess that confirms that it's not my imagination. I've become obsessed with the idea that, if I could crack the code, I'd have a gold mine, but maybe there's no code to crack & I ought to just hang out somewhere else. I thought perhaps a masculine man from the Humphrey Bogart / Cary Grant school would have a field day there since there isn't a real man in sight (just a bunch of SNAGs exploring their feminine side). But even Bogey would be hard-pressed to find something to work with if he were confronted with a table full of dreadlocked hippy chicks shouting "I AM WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR!" :) Is it possible that there is a subculture of women who actually *PREFER* SNAGs? If so, I should RUN, not walk, in the other direction :)
 

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Natural food stores are JACKPOTS for milfs. I work in a hardware store next to one and see them walking in all the time.
 

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Originally posted by splinterkb
Natural food stores are JACKPOTS for milfs. I work in a hardware store next to one and see them walking in all the time.
how many single moms can afford organic food?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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As a teen, wanting to be a "SNAG" is what eventually killed my game. Finally I learn that it is the evilness of hollywood that created such a thing in the Freddie Princie Jrs and such.

"SNAG" robbed me of youth. See "Cinderella Story" for more insight. I'm gonna go set some plastic soldiers on fire.. :mad:
 
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Hey Avon,

You misunderstand the chopper, my friend. I spent less than $8000 building it; the monetary value is not what's impressive about it; it's the fact that I built it (which you can tell just by looking at it). It's 500 lbs of "flair!" :) What I was getting at is, usually people (male & female) sieze upon it as an instant conversation starter: "Did you build it yourself?"
"Can I go for a ride?"
"Hey there young feller, I had a BSA when I got out of the Army in Korea!"

That sort of thing. To have people not notice it is weird. It would be like showing up at a black-tie affair w/a rubber chicken on your head & nobody says anything.
 

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JD,

Hmm.. no EC?!? That's weird. It can't be! I could only suggest you to dress in your usual manly manner distinguishing yourself from the gay folk/SNAG, and head for the grocery shop. Ask the clerk advice for some vitamins, pills, muscular relaxants, whatever manly item they sell and then BUY SOMETHING!! Therefore it wouldn't look as if you were there purely to PU/perve. Head to the cafeteria buy some drink and proceed to sit where ever is the best location for maximum attention. Put your bag of crap down, nearby and visible. Pull out a crystal and place it infront of you and then pull out your own choice of a "hippyish" book and proceed to be on the lookout.

You better GET EC!! Attention should be brought to you by the friggin' crystal (which you placed in a bull**** good luck, karma spot), the hippy book you have in your hands (origami, go mental with a napkin), the coffee cup (if you're outside sitting by the central water fountain I just made up), and the bag of hippy crap you just bought (and will never use).

I know you're gonna hate it. But everyone else around you should atleast check you out. Then approach any HB passer-byers and ask them about the coffee, origami, crystals, vitamins, pills and muscle relaxants.

Goodluck!

and don't forget to leave that coffee stained swan napkin you just made by the water fountain behind. You mister, will be the talk of the hippy town!

:crackup:
 

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Seriously, goodluck! But if you're not hippy why would you be looking in these places for LTRs? You're probably gonna hate it!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Yeah - I drift between the shallow party and the hippie scene. They are two different worlds. From my experience, a lot of these girls are playing a whole different game. If you play an instrument, write, can discuss literature or politics or philosophy with them - they'll eat that stuff up. You can't be too ****y because they often look down on that - many of them are very communal. This is not to say you should be a pushover but your jokes should be witty and fresh - not tired, predictable, and overused like David DeAngelo's material. But seriously - with a lot of these girls...eye contact isn't always necessary. Just go up to one of them, sit down, and say "What's going on, sister?" They respond well to openly nice characters (notice I am not saying nice GUYS here). Hell, if you're really good/lucky you'll run across the ones who are into free love and spiritual commune through sex. They are GREAT lays.

~Sloopy

P.S. Does anyone know why the forum censors the word "o u t w a r d?"
 

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Originally posted by RBB
Seriously, goodluck! But if you're not hippy why would you be looking in these places for LTRs? You're probably gonna hate it!
That's not necessarily true. Hippies come in all personalities. They are often some of the most amazing and beautiful people you will ever meet - once you can get past all the pretentious bullshyt (which you will find really isn't so pretentious after all).

~Sloopy
 

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:woo: I'm gonna run as fast as I can to the nearest hippy camp! :woo:

Would you object to:
Originally posted by Sloopy
free love and spiritual commune through sex.
Please mark a box below with a 'x'.

[ ] Yes
[xxxxxxxx!!1!] No
 

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I think you hit the nail on the head in your first post dude, no testosterone around, a homo atmosphere, they may think you are gay and that is why they are a waste of time. If they won't make eye contact with you walk up to one you are attracted to and say something that doesn't sound like a pickup line but gets a conversation started then go for the eye contact and play the rest of your game from that.
 
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