"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Question for myspace pimps

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I threw my personal ad up online at myspace since it doesn't cost anything. I have a sponse from an HB with next to nothing on her profile (Female, Single, 32, Pisces), but some nice pics. Here's our correspondence so far:

Her:
Just wanted to say Hi! I read your profile, I like your honesty :)

Me:
So you have a kickass haircut, but what else do you have to offer? I hope you're more interesting in person than you are in your profile.

Her:
Thank you for the compliment. I really like your direct personality.. you must be a lot of fun to hang out with :) I'm kinda new at this not sure how much info I wanted to just put out there. but my picture is there so I probably should write a little about myself


The "you must be a lot of fun to hang out with" is an obvious indicator of interest. How does an experienced myspace player follow up here?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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If she likes you being direct, just get her phone number and call her. David D recommends something like "Send me your number so that we can talk on the phone like normal people."
 

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This one acts like a personals newbie who's hesitant to give out any personal info, so that's why I ask. But screw it, you're right just ask for the number and be done with it.

I don't like meeting chicks on the net 'cause you can't read body language and eyes.
 

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Originally posted by ThinWhiteDuke

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So you have a kickass haircut, but what else do you have to offer? I hope you're more interesting in person than you are in your profile.
wow. Just by her replying to you after this either shows you're a great looking guy or she has zero self esteem. Either way, you should be banging her soon. Get her number and give her yours (some girls are weird about giving their numbers over the web - especially newbies) If you she doesn't call or let you have her number it's A-B-Cya!
 
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He didn't say anything bad about her. He complemented her on the one thing possible to be complimented. He just commented on the fact that she hadn't updated her profile with her details, and obviously she knows she is more interesing than that.

No self-esteem? Maybe she actually knows what she wants? By saying what he said he showed he was selective (to some extent) which is infact very attractive to a women.

I think you're not reading into the sub-communication.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I've got 5 myspace profiles of a hot chick (one in each major city within the USA). I get emails sent by studly looking guy every day thinking they're talking to a hot girl. The only guys who send me emails similar to his back handed compliment are skinny tattooed weird guys and angry ugly white guys.

Hey, I could be totally wrong. Let's see how it plays out. I wish you the best of luck ThinWhiteDuke. :cheer:

EDIT - Regardless of the personality or appearace of both parties, my advice remains the same as I posted above:

Get her number and give her yours (some girls are weird about giving their numbers over the web - especially newbies) If you she doesn't call or let you have her number it's A-B-Cya!
 
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Thanks to the above posters for advice. Here's how it played out:

Me: If you're interested in finding out how much fun I am to hang out with, tell me 3 things that would make me want to get to know you better. That seems like a good place to start.

Her: ok well, I'm a very honest, down to earth girly girl.. I like to be spontaneous...I enjoy doing a variety of things like going to a Bears game, out for some fine dining or just staying home to watch a movie (probably lifetime!! kidding) with a glass of wine :) and I Love to Laugh!!

Me: I'm impressed with your list (as long as you promise to never mention Lifetime to me again). I can be a little slow with online correspondence, so what do you say we continue this on the phone? My number is below, or you can send yours if you're more comfortable with me calling you.

Her: Sure..###-#####.

Most of the lines used in this correspondence are from Style's personal ad game. The idea is to act like a jerk online and then be a fairly nice guy when you meet her (not too nice, of course)
 

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Nice! You've got the number :) You're in.

Keep us updated!

Eric
 

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Originally posted by ThinWhiteDuke

Most of the lines used in this correspondence are from Style's personal ad game. The idea is to act like a jerk online and then be a fairly nice guy when you meet her (not too nice, of course)
From my experience if you have two personalities - one for online and one of the real world, it will not do any good.
She meets you, and feels "ha! this is not the guy I was talking to....What to do? NEXT!".
It is a very likely scenario.
It is much better to keep the same style online and in real life.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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She was a total lay down and a lousy f*ck. Dull personality, too.

What a waste of time.
 

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lol - yep. They can't all be porn stars in the sack.

Props to you for getting laid so quickly!

Nice work!

I'm still curious... how was her self esteem? Are you a good looking guy (in your opinion)
 

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She contacted you first, right? If so, then she knew what she was after and she must've been attracted to your pic and whatever's on your profile. I'm with Eric, I don't see jerk material being all that successful online. I know you said she was dull, but why don't you post details of how you lead to the fclose, you know a LR a la ASF style..We can learn from that.

Anyway Congrats I haven't gotten anything hot off of myspace yet..
 

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My entire ad profile is a spinoff of Style's personals game ad. He had his entire personals system posted on the Thundercat site but it's been removed for whatever reason. It's available on David D's 'Meeting Women Online' program in greater detail where his is a guest speaker.

He says repeatedly in that program that his personal ad approach is ridiculous and why it works makes absolutely no sense, but most stuff that works in the game is very counterintuitive. His ad is so crazy that he couldn't even finish reading it to the live audience with a straight face. He had to call someone up on stage to read it for him.

He doesn't post a photo of himself (nor do I). He posts a SKETCH so that women won't disqualify him based on looks. Once he's qualified her, he sends a pic of himself in a magazine to project status and social proof (I made a pretty funny one with Photoshop and a scanner). I'm decent looking, but nothing special and I have to game to get broads like most everyone else.

When you meet her, you have your friends with you to project social proof, then ditch them, isolate and close (Mystery stuff). Chicks respond to status and social proof like we respond to tall blondes with big breasts.

Style (Neil Strauss) is considered the best PUA there is. All of his sh*t flat out works. Here's a good link on him:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20029-1766167_1,00.html
 

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Good stuff. The more I'm reading about this PUA stuff, the more interesting it's becoming to me.

Play on!

Eric
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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for what it's worth - here's the 18yo girl I went to a movie with last night. I met her on myspace a few days ago. She's a cool chick - works at Banana Republic. She has a different, unique look that I like. Anyway, we made out when I dropped her off at her house. I would have f-closed, but she had a 12 curfew =\

I'll hit it for sure. I'll keep ya posted.

I think my game is a bit different and I should make that clear. I'm an older guy who only goes for girls ages 18-20.


PICS (I'm on the left lol):

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/j_ker...://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/j_kerouac/my_photos
 
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