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brertiger

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I'm a little bored so I decided to pose a question to the board. How many of you plan to use your DJ skills to marry some lucky lady (and keep her) and how many of you have sworn off marriage to be lifelong womanizers? Or how many plan for an exquisite lifelong partner, but don't dare "risk" legally marrying her.
As for myself, I would like to be married again, but don't think I would risk having children with any woman ever again (I have an ex that's all ready taken our two children.) My trusts stops with having children (The courts are just out of whack in a woman's favor.)
 

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divorce is like cancer, you better pray you don't get it, but if you do its a long hard road through it... but afterwards you appreciate your life a lot more.

my dj skills get me women. its up to the woman as to whether i get married. if shes got the values, ethics and beliefs that im looking for in a woman... then ill consider it.

until then, life is to damn enjoyable to get married.

J
 

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Marriage what is it good for

Your culture has the expression does it not "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." Those who have been married probably are in no rush, especially if they have children.

That summarises my view. Consider also this practical matter. After say 20 or 30 years of playing faithful husband, you might be one day convicted of being selfish, boring etc. Your DJ skills probably atrophied during that marriage. Then picture yourself as a 50 year old man trying to start from scratch.

Sounds kind of grim to me.
 

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I've been married for 9.5 years to a hot piece of ass (yes, still) and we have a great 7 y.o. daughter. I can tell you this; I use a DJ frame everyday I'm with her. Truth be told I was using a variation of this ideology long before I discovered this board or knew the terminology, but I know myself well enough that I could never be faithful to a woman who was less than perfect. I wasn't about to settle for a marriage because I had some stupid co-dependent insecure 'need' to be married. In fact I didn't want to get married back then and I fought the idea for a long time. I've been an AFC and I've been a player, and now I'm a husband and father.

DJ philosophy is a necessary part of a successful marriage - PUA skills will only get you in the door. Marriage is a series of life long sh!t tests - the more you fail the closer you'll be to divorce, but the more you pass the stronger your marriage will be. Too many guys will revert to AFC supplication to their wives in order to keep the sex flowing with the only perosn he's allowed to be intimate with. It doesn't take much effort for a woman to realize that this is her first, best recourse to modify his behavior - in other words blackmail him with her intimacy. Few men have the balls to counter this tactic, but the DJ knows that the short term conflict is never worth the long term ramifications to his integrity. No woman's vagina is worth compromising his integrity for. He know she may hold out on him for a week or so, but his decisiveness will preserve his identity and integrity for the long term. Short term pu$$y is never worth trading for long term respect.

My wife expects me to be the trigger man. She takes care of the inside of the house, I take care of the outside of the house. She rules the laundry room and I rule the garage. She handles the dishes and I handle the garbage. We respect eachothers roles and the miniute I waiver on being forthright, decisive and confident that's when I fail the sh!t test and that's when the sex goes passionless.

A married woman will always, consciously or unconsciously, question the wisdom of her ultimate decision of marrying her husband and hitching her cart to this guy for a lifetime. She gives sh!t tests when she doesn't even know she is because of this constant quest for security. The DJ knows this, he reads this in his wife and acts accordingly; even when it means he knows she'll stubbornly chomp at the bit over his decisions. Once a man fails enough of these tests she feels compelled to be responsible for her own security and the security of her family and she will assume the primary role in the house. Essentially she will take over as the decision maker and he will be the wishy-washy guy she happened to marry. Out of necessity she will wear the pants in the house and woe be the AFC who ever has the motivation to try and get this back.

Yes, DJ ideology is imperative in a successful marriage.
 

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Good post Rollo (though the stuff about you couldn't have someone less than perfect baffled me; no one's perfect). Never been married, but have the benefit of watching my happily married, unhappily married, AFC, separated, and divorced friends from pretty close up.

Rollo is correct on DJ skills being imparative towards marriage. My AFC single friends who got married are now AFC married guys. There's really nothing worse than watching an AFC marriage in action. At least the AFC single guy has a chance at reformation; the AFC married guy is locked in. Watching it is more painful than a bad sitcom ... yes, that bad.

Just last week I had two guys married 20 years each tell me they couldn't talk about any ex-girlfriends from college or their wives would get pi$$ed. What the h-ll? You didn't have a life before marriage? These guys are great guys, but pathetic AFCs. Their wives rule everything.

My married DJ friends are much like Rollo, there is respect but they are their own men.

I would say married AFC is the worst place to ever be, it's pathetic.
 

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every body send Rollo 5 bucks.

the man knows what he is talking about.

J
 

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WEST: What I meant was that I wouldn't settle for anything less than an ideal relationship with consideration of my own self-knowledge. I know damn well that I could never be faithful to a woman who didn't take care of herself or had issues with regards to sex. That's just me, I need to get laid and I want it to always be hotter than the last time. Considering the limitations marriage imposes I know that's unrealistic, but I'm a pragmatist. When I proposed to my wife I was (and am) most certainly in love with her, but furthermore I weighed the idea of how loyal I could really remain to her versus the desire to hit it with other women and she measured up.

I realize how superficial that sounds, but once you can tell yourself the truth and get you head around it, then you can look for other qualities in a woman that make her a good candidate for an LTR or marriage.

In fact the only reason this comes off as shallow at all is because women have trained and socialized men by shaming them out of their natural impulses to better serve their need for security. If a woman can shame you into thinking that you're vain for wanting a hot woman as a prerequisite for your own intimacy (and security provisioning) then all the overweight women in the world have the playing field leveled for them not to mention a very effective tool to claim power with.

Women have countless conditions required of men to attain their intimacy (status, wealth, influence, attractiveness, confidence, intelligence, sensitivity, humor, etc.) whereas a man only has one - she's got to be hot. After having a list of prerequisites like this, how dare any woman attept to shame me out of my one condition for my own intimacy and security potential? If this is my one condition for intimacy it had better be the most important one for making a decision to spend a lifetime with a woman. If you can find a woman who'll look after herself and understands that this is what attracts as well as keeps a man, and remains self-dedicated to it in earnest, then you can focus on other attributes that make her an acceptable mate. If I am the PRIZE, I am the PRIZE both in and out of an LTR and for me this is the primary requirement for the PRIZE. It is not the only consideration, but it is the primary one.
 

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Agree Rollo, just confused on the term "perfect" as I don't believe anyone is, but understand the clarification. Yes, women who take care of themselves as they age are rare. I'd say 90 percent of women let themselves go to h-ll physically.
 

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im ok with a woman aging - getting a few wrinkles, the hair not as silky, etc.

but what ain't fun is doggy styling a woman and see two big ugly *ss cheeks flopping around.

no man should have to see that.

J
 

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What, me disgruntled?

Lived together aged 29, married 31, divorced 42. Wife 7 years older with 2 kids. Has 2 more with me.

1 son lives with me. Other with her.

Woman used to frequently die during childbirth. There was no evolutionary point to making them roadworthy at 40, so Nature didn't. Picture me with 31 year old in bed, me aged 43. Wife at this point 50. Hmm. The Coke/Pepsi test. No, actually (statement of the obvious) there is a big difference.

A guy I know had a son at the age of 66 his wife is 24 years younger. Another guy married at 40 after a fun filled bachelor life. Now his teenage daughter calls him an "old fossil". This represents a certain problem. A man can push his chronological limits but in doing so he becomes somewhat alienated. He can be too worn out to look after his kids or die before they grow up. Or might not be able to satisfy his wife. The 66 year old used Viagra.

My suggestions;

1 If you must marry, do so for reproductive purposes and have a wife at least 5 years younger than you.

2 Have no stepkids, mine were OK but it is well known that they can break up marriages. Sometimes when you Brady Bunch the two tribes fight each other. Why make life hard on yourself I say.

3 Don't marry anyone who is less educated or of lower social status. In the end they will resent you.
 

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Re: What, me disgruntled?

Originally posted by ElChoclo


My suggestions;

1 If you must marry, do so for reproductive purposes and have a wife at least 5 years younger than you.

2 Have no stepkids, mine were OK but it is well known that they can break up marriages. Sometimes when you Brady Bunch the two tribes fight each other. Why make life hard on yourself I say.

3 Don't marry anyone who is less educated or of lower social status. In the end they will resent you.
I also had a stepdaughter whom I helped raise for 8 years and we no longer speak even though it was her mother who cheated during our marriage. The eternal victim.
 

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I think all of us learning to become Alpha males via DJ techniques is one path to weeding out the girls with whom we aren't compatible with and getting to the select few with which we have a chance " 'til death do us part".
 

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Man, are you correct on item #3. I married a woman with a high school education and I have a college degree.. what a mistake!

Will they ever listen?

Dietzcoi
 

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Re: What, me disgruntled?

Originally posted by ElChoclo

3 Don't marry anyone who is less educated or of lower social status. In the end they will resent you.
Isn't that the truth. Been there done that
 
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