Question about the book of Pook

[Tenzen]

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[SinJester]

Why do so many people hate Pook?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

This is were I have to disagree with Pook. Women want sex more than men do.

Patently false. Men produce 17 times the amount of testosterone a woman does. It is a biological impossibility for a woman to want sex as much as, or as often as men. Enjoyment of course is subjective so is thus unquantifiable. Trust me, when a woman says, "I don't understand why sex is so important to guys" she's speaking the literal truth. No woman will ever experience 17 times the amount of her own testosterone levels (barring steroids). Even at the peak of her menstrual cycle, when she's at her horniest, she'll never experience what men do 24 hours a day. So lets just dispense with the mythologies that women have conditioned you to parrot back to them and us.


As far as POOK is concerned, if you want to challenge a woman who is indifferent to you, you mirror that indifference while putting her into situations in which she is forced to qualify herself to you.

 

[Moonlight]

Patently false. Men produce 17 times the amount of testosterone a woman does. It is a biological impossibility for a woman to want sex as much as, or as often as men. Enjoyment of course is subjective so is thus unquantifiable. Trust me, when a woman says, "I don't understand why sex is so important to guys" she's speaking the literal truth. No woman will ever experience 17 times the amount of her own testosterone levels (barring steroids). Even at the peak of her menstrual cycle, when she's at her horniest, she'll never experience what men do 24 hours a day. So lets just dispense with the mythologies that women have conditioned you to parrot back to them and us.

Being a woman far more capable of having multi partners and experiencing way more pleasure that any man is capable of having, I'd like to know the scientific basis for your statement. In other words, where can I find this statement verified scientifically? It would seem that procreation takes both sexes and not just men raping women. Also, being a woman, I've experienced feelings and needs that, as I look back, were mystifying to me now. Why, why, why was I so driven to have children and willing to do ANYTHING to get pregnant? Why, oh why do I wake up fevered by dreams so exotic as to be stuff that would make millions on video. Finally, I believe that women have been horribly suppressed to the detrement of both sexes. Statements like yours reinforce this suppression just to enhance male egos. That way, men don't have to learn the art of love making. They just go at it for their own pleasure. A man who learns the art of love making knows a woman's true s#x powers. But, I'll wait for your evidence. :rock:

 

[Holland]

@Rollo

I'm not convinced. I don't think testosterone is responsible for desiring sex. I do believe it's a good measure for masculinity, which means you're a sexually aware man. That's something different than desiring sex. When I was an AFC I desired sex more than I do now, but I don't think my testosterone was very high back then.
Besides, it was also Pook who said that women are WAAAAY more sexual than men can even imagine and that is something I agree with.
Read some David Shade and women sexual fantasies books.

 

[Bvbidd]

They get a lot more pleasure out of it, but no they don't get as horny. But I'm sure wanting that pleasure overpowers their physical drive for sex (such as how a guy wants sex).

 

[Bible_Belt]

I bet women are 17 times more likely to fall "in love." If they find the love chemical, women will have a lot more of that one. And when "in love" they give sex freely enough to match the drive of men.

 

[guru1000]

Woman's testosterone range is from( 80-120) , while men range from (300-1000). Testosterone is a male based hormone that does increase sexual desire. However because it is abundant in men and men have low estrogens, it becomes the dominant hormone and thus attached to the bulk of the receptor sites.

Women on the other hand who have high estrogen and low testosterone have estogen attach to the bulk of their receptor sites. Estrogen is also a hormone that increases sex drive in women.

You cannot state who is hornier. Men or Women. It's individual. A woman with more estrogen than a man with testosterone will naturally have a stronger sex drive and vice versa.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Being a woman far more capable of having multi partners and experiencing way more pleasure that any man is capable of having,

I fail to see where I posted that women or men "enjoy" sex more. In fact I explicitly said that was subjective.

I'd like to know the scientific basis for your statement. In other words, where can I find this statement verified scientifically?

Alright here we go:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003707.htm

I'll quote you the relevant part:

Normal Results

Male: 300-1,000 ng/dl
Female: 20-80 ng/dl
Normal value ranges may vary slightly among different laboratories.

Note: ng/dl = nanograms per deciliter

This is the science, and if you're not happy with that, Google search terms like "testosterone", "estrogen", "oxytocin" and have a look at what these hormones (and other neat endorphins) are responsible for triggering. Testosterone is responsible for sex drive, aggression, muscle mass, hair growth, etc. - the reason I shave my face and you don't is because my bloodstream holds up to 1,000 ng/dl of testosterone while yours maxes out at 80 ng/dl. So that's actually 12.5 times the testosterone not 17, my bad, but I think the physical differences are fairly obvious.

It would seem that procreation takes both sexes and not just men raping women. Also, being a woman, I've experienced feelings and needs that, as I look back, were mystifying to me now. Why, why, why was I so driven to have children and willing to do ANYTHING to get pregnant? Why, oh why do I wake up fevered by dreams so exotic as to be stuff that would make millions on video.

It's not that women don't produce testosterone and don't want sex at all (you really need to stop thinking in all or nothings) it's just that their testosterone levels fluctuate with their menstrual cycles while men's remain constant. Thus, a woman at the peak of fertility in her menstrual cycle is "hornier" than when she is at the bottom of it (menstruation). Humans have evolved this way so as to ensure the best possible chance to procreate.

Also, you have to consider the spike in testosterone in the years just prior to woman entering menopause. As the last eggs begin to drop for a woman at or around 50 this triggers a "last call" phenomenon where a woman's testosterone levels peak in order to make a last ditch attempt to reproduce. This is why women report being "hornier" around 48-50 y.o. After menopause women experience a sharp decline in testosterone (as well as a resulting immune deficiency) and often need hormone therapy and/or a hysterectomy procedure sometime thereafter.

Men's testosterone levels remain realtively constant until age 50, when they begin to decline by an average of 1% per year. So in a long term perspective, men will actually enjoy sex well into their 70s (assuming they can find a willing partner at that age).

Finally, I believe that women have been horribly suppressed to the detrement of both sexes.

Of course you do. A constant condition of feminine victimization is yet another operative social convention that really keeps both sexes isolated and non-communicative. I'd suggest watching a Girls Gone Wild video, then tell me how sexually "supressed" women are.

Statements like yours reinforce this suppression just to enhance male egos. That way, men don't have to learn the art of love making. They just go at it for their own pleasure. A man who learns the art of love making knows a woman's true sex powers. But, I'll wait for your evidence.

I fail to see how my post in any way reinforced "suppression." I merely stated biological facts that are completely sound, and dubunked a common feminine myth that's now being parroted back by men who don't know any better and lack the critical thinking skills to question them. However, you did raise another issue with this last bit here in that you're very prone to feminine social conventions yourself. Particularly the pairing of sex and power being associated with women as the qualifiers. So who is "supressing" who if women are the keepers of the "true sex power?" Perhaps the reason my assertion so upset you is because it reveals an Achilles Heel for women trying to keep their sexuality mystifying so as to keep "supressing" men? Who has the ego now?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Women on the other hand who have high estrogen and low testosterone have estogen attach to the bulk of their receptor sites. Estrogen is also a hormone that increases sex drive in women.

Not so. If anythng, Estrogen makes women more wary of sexual activity:

Two of the hormones linked to female desire are testosterone and estrogen. Testosterone is the sex hormone most often associated with men, aggressiveness, lust and masculinity. Women produce testosterone too, (in the ovaries and adrenal glands), albeit at much lower levels than men - women have about one tenth the volume of testosterone that men do.

Both estrogen and testosterone levels peak at mid cycle They seem to combine interactively affecting the brain in different ways. Whilst testosterone may work to boost libido and energy, ensuring that the nipples and ****oris are sensitive to sexual pleasure, (whilst also maintaining muscle mass and strengthening bones) estrogen's "basic behavioural strategy is to hone the senses."

Estrogen "pinches us and says, Pay attention. A number of studies have suggested that a woman's vision and sense of smell are heightened at ovulation. So too do the senses shine at other times of high estrogenicity, such as right before menstruation, when your progesterone levels have dropped way down and left estrogen to act unopposed..."

Men and women are different - whilst a woman may experience lust and desire, we are less likely (on the whole) to act indiscriminately. We tend to weigh up the sexual situation (using all our senses including our sixth sense) to determine the risks and benefits of sexual coupling - Is the potential suitor a good catch? Is it a safe time? Are there predators about? Are the children awake?. To put it coarsely we are less likely than men " to think with our sexual organs" and this could be due to the influence of estrogen.

 

[ketostix]

Not so. If anythng, Estrogen makes women more wary of sexual activity:

All that may be true, but from experience there's no question that some women are "hornier" then many men. I don't question that women are selective, but they can be horny and stay selective and not act on it at the same time, but look at all the sex toys they have and use, not to mention romance novels and the fact some of them watch porn too, and women seem to have a higher rate of bi-sexual activity then men. This "horny but selective" might be because of the way estrogen works or other contributing factors.

I believe estrogen does give women a strong libido. A man can have higher than normal testosterone and lack libido. Ask any Urologist. Libido is not so simple a question of testosterone and estrogen levels.

Having said that I think since women apparently can and do seem to naturally restrain themselves despite being horny, I think men suffer much higher frustration from being sexually deprived. And I think it's a very unnatural state of affairs for any society that facilitates many men being sexually deprived.

So is the question are women more wary of sex or just less horny. I'd say the former is true and not the latter, that is, Women are wary but just as horny.. I'd also say that men are way more suppressed than women. Most of what suppression of women that exists is really aimed at suppressing men indirectly IMO.

 

[Tenzen]

if you want to challenge a woman who is indifferent to you, you mirror that indifference while putting her into situations in which she is forced to qualify herself to you.

what are some examples where i can put her into situation where she is forced to qualify herself to me?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The easy answer is Neg Hits. This is classic PUA fare. Also ****y & Funny creates an atmosphere of holding your own frame. Social proof puts her into a qualifying state. But all of these are techniques and only as useful as you believe in their use. You have to create and believe in yourself as having a "command presence" and be comfortable in controlling the frame. I've seen guys horribly flame out using C&F because it came off as lame due to him half-heartedly delivering it - like a geek "trying" to act like a stud. He didn't believe in it, or himself.

When you make an approach imagine yourself as "been-there-done-that" more mature than she is. Even if the woman is older than you this covertly send the message that you are in control. I have DJ friends in law enforcement that use this air of authority that makes women 5-7 years older than them feel comfortable, secure and ripe for establishing rapport.

Also, always leave prematurely. Half way through a sarge, cut your conversation short with something like "ooh, hey, sorry, you're a great girl, but I promised my friend/brother/boss (someone suitibly responsible) I'd call them at 9pm, etc." any kind of conversation tool that excuses you from the conversation early. This sounds counterintuitive, but it's a qualification test. Most desperate guys will ignorantly spend an entire evening blathering on about themselves or listen to a girl's rap, and all this does is make you a "friend" not a potential lover. You have to force her into a position of pursuing you - literally. This is a fantastic test for Interest Level. Back in the day, my favorite line was "hey my band's playing next, will you watch my drink for me till I get back?" If the chick was still at the bar after our set I knew I was getting laid that night. If she brought it up to me right after a set I knew I'd really be having a good night. But you don't have to be in a band to pull off a breakaway. Something similar to this, where you have to cut short your sarge to do something appropriately responsible (my grandma's in the hospital and I promised I'd call her at 9) will do just as well. The idea is to prompt a reaction, she number closes you, she tracks you down at such and such a place, or just even gauging her response when you come back to her, the idea is to put her into qualifying for your frame.

 

[Tenzen]

I already know the girl real well so its not like i'm approaching her for the first time. I'll see her a party and i'll try doing what u said Rollo. I'll start talking to her, then just cut it short and walk out of the room.

 

[ketostix]

Ah takeaways and push/pull. I think they're usually efffective and almost a necessity.

 

[Tenzen]

heh what i've noticed, ever since i got on this site in the middle of september my phone bill has increased by 6x in price.... These girls never stop with the texts... calls..... wow.... I'm debating whether or not to cancel my phone now. I gotta upgrade the plan....