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Question about recovering from setting a bad precedent

yuppaz

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So I hung out with this girl last night, cute not beautiful or anything. Seemed like a really cool girl. Problem is that the first time we hung out (she's 23 so the word "date" is illegal). When setting up a time and place, I mentioned this Karaoke place, she thought it was a group thing, I told her it wasn't at all, just us two but if she was more into that would be happy to invite her to some events. She back peddled and said it was fine, then asked to go somewhere like a "hidden chill spot". I offered a few other ideas: drinks, movies, club type places. She said she wasn't a big drinker, so I had to think of something else. Anyway decided on this place called Rum Fire on Waikiki beach. Right on the beach, unreal spot. We hang out for a while, I do this rings routine (works very well), we chat it up, then grab a bit to eat. I told her prior we would just grab appetizers (drinks...appetizers...it's a first date, I hope she got that sh*t). We have a good convo. When we sat down, she orders wine, like immediately...chiraz or something (I looked at her first to let her know it was ok, and we had a couple appetizers). During the convo she is showing me pictures of this basically sugar daddy type guy she's been hanging around with. He owns a plane, a big boat, a f*cking 1969 Ferrari, and a killer hog and basically spoils the sh*t out of her. Either way, I think....what do I care, she seems cool, be fun to f*ck, so oh well what do I care if some millionaire spoils her and she gives it up every $1,000 or so... When the check came, she didn't offer at all to pay, which I'm ok with because she just moved here and is looking for a job. She didn't seem to TRY to get me to spend money at all, so even though the bill was more then I would have wanted I was fine with paying it.

Later in the night, I was purposefully vague when it came to what I do, and she was trying to pry it out of me, but I wouldn't give it up. She did get it though that I was a higher up in my company and a boss. She also got it that I live in a 2 bed appt that was ok, but not great or anything. We kissed a few times, it was a nice night overall. Drove her to her car, kissed again and said we would have to do it again soon. Nice night.

Late in the morning, before I sent her anything she sends me a text asking if my mom does psychic readings etc. (was one of our conversation topics, she was really into it, I thought it was interesting). I called Mamacita and asked her, she said she did do this one thing she was asking about. Text girl back letting her know that. She seemed like she wanted to meet my mom, which normally I wouldn't be cool with but she does seem like a cool girl and they would prob hit it off so I'm fine with it. I tell her we can get together on Sun.

She then texts me telling me that "XXXX place is supposed to have an amazing buffet". I check and it's like $45 a plate (f*ck me wayyy overboard). I tell her I'll have to check schedules, what's hers like Sun. She tells me she may be sailing and that she'll let me know after she meets up with (insert money bags name here) tonight. (Was she trying to get me to compete by mentioning that, I wonder?). Instead of reacting, I say "Ya, evening is probably better for me too. Let me know" and that's that.


ok. sorry for the long ass story. The goal is to not let her hold this frame of holding this guy over my head with his cash flaunting and to figure out if she's actually in it for the cash, if she's going to be disappointed if I can't do all those cool things, and how to pre-empt that possibility . She did say she has a lot of guy friends (red flag), but she also specifically told me she isn't sleeping with any of these guys etc.

So gentlemen, this is about using game to beat a multimillionaire. How do I make him lose value, if needed and get her addicted to my d*ck. She's actually a cool girl, so winning would be good, but I'm not attached to the outcome, I want to win to learn better game.
 

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If you subcommunicate to her that you are "competing" with him in any way, you lose.

Instead, I would take the OPPOSITE route--take her on super lame dates that make it clear that you are not trying to impress her. Have her accompany you while you run errands, have her help you cook a meal (girls LOVE this), and go ahead and have her meet your mom. The reason is: this is the kind of stuff t that couples in love do--it's not all 5 star restaurants and yachts.

The sugar daddy is clearly trying to buy her affection, and she knows it. She's rubbing it in your face to see how confident you are (btw, this is a s#it test that would be grounds for nexting, but that's just me).

Thing is, though, I'm confident you have the edge in this one, because she wouldn't be talking to you at all if she was into ol' money bags. Instead, she'd do anything not to mess it up.

Next time she suggests something pricey, have a low cost counteroffer prepared, and insist upon it (but in a nice way)-- something like,

HB: Hey, want to go to Taj Mahal and get breakfast? They have edible faberge eggs!
YOU: Sounds nice, but I HAVE to take you to this breakfast place I found down the road--it is the coolest place EVER- you are coming with me and we will bask in its coolness.

(i find that it is always good practice to build any event up to the point of hyperbole--it shows that you are passionate about life, and chicks dig it.)

It is far more advantageous to be in your position--he's spending tons of money on her whereas you are not, and she likes you more. Now don't blow it by feeling insecure!
 

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yuppaz said:
She then texts me telling me that "XXXX place is supposed to have an amazing buffet". I check and it's like $45 a plate (f*ck me wayyy overboard).
My reply would have been , " You sure that you can afford $90 ? "
 

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Originally posted by yuppaz
So gentlemen, this is about using game to beat a multimillionaire. How do I make him lose value, if needed and get her addicted to my d*ck. She's actually a cool girl, so winning would be good, but I'm not attached to the outcome, I want to win to learn better game.
you have already lost if your focus is attempting to DEVALUE this other guy. your mindset is completely wrong. focus on your value not his.

when you value YOURSELF, you dont let it seem acceptable for her to brag about some other guy while shes out with you, on YOUR DIME for that matter.

Make your convictions strong, and DONT BEND YOUR BELIEFS. I get the impression that you are allowing her to say/do certain things that you dont like and justifying it because you belief she is hott.

the only way that you will get what you really want out of scenerios like this, is believing that you have something to offer this world, not just what you can offer women. Otherwise, you will ALWAYS be comparing yourself to others, and ALWAYS find something that you just dont stack up to.
 

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Thanks for the advice guys. Quick update on the situation with this girl. I made plans with her for Saturday to meet my mom. We set the time etc. Was going to have her come by my place and we both go from there to a not too expensive, but good cafe style restaurant. My mom cancels the night before, can't make the time. She texts me the morning of asking where the place is and where to park etc. I tell her where to park or that she can park at mine and we go together. The a few hours prior, I text her:

Me: "bad news, she can't make it, but I would still be up to getting together".
She texts me back
Her:"Prob will just wait, let me know when she can do it again"
Me: "U Serious"? (thinking wtf I guess using my mom as a reason to get together isn't an excuse)
Her: Yes, have the opportunity to do sailing class after a meeting I'm going to now at Kaneohe, so I'm just gonna stay
(I'm thinking, ok....well maybe legit and ok, she IS really into sailing, and it is a far drive from there to here...)
Me: ok, enjoy

Later that day, my mom wants to go for a sail at 2:00 the following day, tells me to invite her. Also tells me that she told this guy that they both know that she is dating my moms son (me). I NEVER used the word dating with her, so NOW it seems like she isn't doing any usury.

I call her in the afternoon, chat about some sailing stuff from when I was a kid blah and invite her. She can't come, she was going to the sandbar that day. I tell her, let's get together sometime this coming week, she says ok.

So nothing Sunday, I didn't contact her at all and I'm thinking about contacting her today, but in the back of my mind I'm still kind of leery of her (the whole cancellation, even though I understand it. And that she isn't a drinker, so just getting drinks isn't appealing, don't know if she would be into a movie but do know that she should be out near my side on Friday night). All I keep thinking about is that she get's all this **** to do for nothing and I don't want to offer all that stuff right away. Like I think it would be fun to make dinner and rent a movie or something, but something tells me she would be anti that. Then I think, okay I could invite her to dinner somewhere Fri night and grab drinks after somewhere. It's just in the back of my head I keep thinking Ferarris and f*cking airplanes. Advice?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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