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- Jan 5, 2008
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Damn you're pretty fvckin retarded. You do not realize the magnitude of what's taking place with this hostile take over of our country with this "Coronavirus" lockdown bullsh!t.Responding to an existing post that mentions left and right and needs clarification is my privilege as a Mod.
On the other hand you may want to consider another subject to try and spread fear about now that this Chicago militarization thread has been shot down. Fear is not my game because it’s not reality, but if you enjoy doing it, have at it Sir…
Well that’s certainly amazing that you could mentally conflate a medical virus into a governmental coup d’etat.Damn you're pretty fvckin retarded. You do not realize the magnitude of what's taking place with this hostile take over of our country with this "Coronavirus" lockdown bullsh!t.
Do they?Just check the numbers right now and uh, they say to stick it.
Half of those cases are in NY state alone, with the bulk in NYC. The rest are concentrated in other very densely populated areas, such as Cali.Do they?
Check out the US Coronavirus tracker. At this post we're at ~19,000 cases. That number has been doubling every two days for the last two weeks. That trajectory we clear seven figures in another two weeks.
I hope you're right, and that these soft quarantine orders work as planned.
I disagree with the ban on political talk, too, but I'll respect it....although I disagree that differences in political views are petty and irrelevant. In fact, I KNOW such differences are the differences between men and women, between grownups and children, between the rational and the insane, and between the intelligent and the stupid. However, out of respect for the what I believe to be the misguided rules of this forum, I'll refrain from being more specific. I'll just light a candle for you lost souls, in hopes that one day your testicles will drop, and you'll realize what it truly means to be a man....to live without fear, to organize without inspiring panic, to lead from the front, to take responsibility when others won't, to be accountable when everyone else is just pointing fingers from the shadows, to maintain order while chicken sh it losers are looting, hording, and proclaiming Armageddon.Let's get real about the "no politics" rule on this web site actually meaning no politics with which you, moderator Bill, personally disagree.
I’ll cut the pie as:Let’s get real about that,
Left- untruth to create fear
Right- truth and facts that speak for themselves
I can help you wrap your brain around this without resorting to political labels:I’ll cut the pie as:
Emotional enjoys being emotional
Rational enjoys using logic
Both camps have both right and left political polarities as extremists and as those more moderate.
Rural areas are still susceptible to this disease and are even more ill-equipped with hospital capacity. If this virus managed to infect nearly every country on the planet (and every state in the USA), it will get to rural areas. It's only a matter of time.Half of those cases are in NY state alone, with the bulk in NYC. The rest are concentrated in other very densely populated areas, such as Cali.
Even though the virus is nationwide, natural barriers exist in slowing the spread of the virus throughout most of the country. Rural areas with much lower population densities are not going to experience the same rate of expansion as the national numbers suggest, which is currently being driven by these major cities.
The only way these exponential numbers continue is if major cities cannot curb it with more pressing restrictions, which I do believe are coming. And it will keep coming until the curve flattens.
They aren’t going to wait until millions are infected and hospitals are overwhelmed before they decide to take more drastic measures.
You’ll more likely see enforced curfews/quarantines by the police/military before you see infections reaching 7 figures nationally.
Might be right. Saw similar pics from BaltimoreIf you live in a major city and have someplace to go, now is the time to gtfo and go. Quarantine is coming, and they won't let you leave. The attached pic is a train of armored personnel carriers moving into Chicago this evening. They are there to enforce the quarantine.
Look. We have no clue how many people have contracted the Kung Flu. We primarily know about cases severe enough to require hospitalization and/or resulting in death. What we also know is that the vast majority of cases go undiagnosed, primarily because those cases don't produce symptoms severe enough to be of concern to infected persons, and that the average age in fatal cases is 80(compared to Swine Flu, in which the average age in fatal cases was 27).Chicago is a densely populated hot spot, surrounded by rural emptiness. A quarantine is the only logical response. And they can't announce it ahead of time, or everyone would panic and flee.
I’m not saying rural areas are not susceptible. I’m not even saying it won’t get there (it probably already is). I’m talking about geographical epidemiology.Rural areas are just as susceptible to this disease, and are even more ill-equipped with hospital capacity. If this virus managed to infect nearly every country on the planet (and every state in the USA), it will get to rural areas. It's only a matter of time.
Yes, of course population density matters. However, the United States population is concentrated in cities and suburbs. Only about 20% of Americans live in rural areas. Although the density is lower in suburbs than cities, many suburbanites venture into or closer to the city for work, play, or travel.I’m not saying rural areas are not susceptible. I’m not even saying it won’t get there (it probably already is). I’m talking about geographical epidemiology.
Even if a person in a rural area is infected, they will not spread it to others at anywhere near the same numbers as their urban counterparts. This is because people are far more spaced out already by comparison. This space acts as a somewhat natural barrier to how far and how quickly the disease can spread in such areas.
That doesn’t mean it won’t spread, but it will do so at a slower pace compared to urban areas and will be far easier to get under control. So you can’t say these numbers are going to continue doubling every 2 days nationwide. That’s just the trend in highly populated areas right now.
97% of America’s land is in rural counties. So this rate of infection is primarily focused in those areas that make up the other 3%. Granted there are a lot of people in that 3% geography, but it is also a far more concentrated effort to contain it. And like I said earlier, half of the cases in this country are in NY with the bulk in NYC. There is a reason for that.
Sure we can. That's why graphs are so powerful. The United States' growth curve is almost identical to Italy (just 10 days or so behind). Seven figures is inevitable in the USA because measures and data taken today are two weeks behind the virus. Italy has been in full lock down for almost two weeks, and just had its highest death toll day along with thousands more transmissions.You can’t take these trending numbers and just extrapolate a future figure from the national population. Suggesting the number of cases will reach 7 figures is essentially saying these metropolitan areas making up 3% of the nation’s geography will continue to experience a rate of spread that will carry on exponentially completely unchecked, despite the fact they are focusing very heavily on these very areas and despite the effort of any restrictive measures being taken.
You might as well just come out and say they can’t do anything to dampen the curve.
Yes I’m aware of that. The point is, however, that our nation’s resources and efforts to slow the exponential rate of exposure can be heavily focused on a relatively small geographical area.
And what leads you to believe the two curves MUST coincide all the way through?The United State's growth curve is almost identical to Italy (just 10 days or so behind).
You mentioned Ford, so this must mean you live in Ontario. Then you'll know there have been 2 deaths in this province so far.@EyeBRollin the Spanish flu pandemic and this are very different. When that pandemic broke out they didn't know that viruses existed because microscopes were still not able to show something as small as a virus, they actually thought it was caused by a bacteria and spent millions of dollars on the wrong thing. There are private companies that are already mobilizing to respond to this virus. Ford announced that they are putting some of their production into making more respirators as well as a British vacuum cleaner company that is also beginning production on respirators. Drug companies are producing and donating millions of pills of the malaria drug that has been shown to be effective against this virus and last Monday human trials began for a new vaccine for this virus. You and the rest of the panickers are acting like we are back in the 1800's and we are dealing with small pox , ebola and black plague all at the same time. One thing I have found interesting is the difference in the reactions to this between the right wingers and the left wingers on this site and other sites that I am active on.
That is because regular seasonal flu does not break the health-care system. You are under a universal health care system if you are in Canada so the Canadian government has the right to tell people to leave their system alone by self-isolating to ensure it's viable and everyone can continue to use it. Otherwise, isn't Ford taking this very seriously? Even your right-wing politicians are starting to shame non-essential businesses that are remaining open. Look at how Trump's tone has changed recently. There is no partisan issue dealing with this virus and Trump doesn't even stand by what you are saying. You are quoting things he has now retracted a week or so ago! It is thinking like this that if someone has a stroke or heart-attack, they will have to be left to die because the health care system would be over used.@EyeBRollin I forgot to mention cruise lines like Royal Caribbean are also lending their cruise ships to the government to use as hospitals not to mention that the U.S. navy is using it's medical ships as well. The population of America is over 400 million and we have less than 20,000 cases and less than 200 deaths. Every year the U.S. gets tens of millions of cases of the regular flu and about 50 to 60 thousand deaths yet nobody goes crazy over it. But hey if you want to shiit your pants over this go right ahead.