Quagmire911 Lifting Journal

[spesmilitis]

At least with flat bench you're strengthening chest, front delts, tris though which gives great carryover to db presses, dips, shoulder presses, tricep work etc. With Deads it's mainly areas like glutes, lower back, core etc. that get the pounding. These things are hit with Squats and SLDLs anyway. Deads don't give a carryover to anything from experience.

MM

I'm guessing you aren't very experienced.

 

[Quagmire911]

Everyone seems to forget that individualism plays a large role in all of this and what works for one person doesn't work for another. Maybe MM doesn't get good carryover on deads...Equally maybe different people can handle different levels of volume...

 

[Mad Manic]

I'm guessing you aren't very experienced.

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

I thought you'd only been training a year and a half?

 

[Mad Manic]

I thought you'd only been training a year and a half?

Less, but you don't need to define experience based on time working out. I do SLDLs off a platform anyway so I still have a rear chain movement. I just think people rate deads because you lift a lot of weight, the ROM isn't that big and it's quite static in the way most muscles are worked. I think muscles grow best from direct ROM. BBers rarely do deads, watch the videos. Infact they do Smith Squats instead of Squats.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

I ain't a BB'er

And I am sure you haven't reached the pinnacle of your experience

 

[Mad Manic]

I will be the greatest BBer of all time. 10 Olympias. Nobody left now, they're all scrawny other than Cutler.

MM

 

[Quagmire911]

I will be the greatest BBer of all time. 10 Olympias. Nobody left now, they're all scrawny other than Cutler.

MM

You are nuts What weight/height are you at?

 

[shaunuk]

Less, but you don't need to define experience based on time working out. I do SLDLs off a platform anyway so I still have a rear chain movement. I just think people rate deads because you lift a lot of weight, the ROM isn't that big and it's quite static in the way most muscles are worked. I think muscles grow best from direct ROM. BBers rarely do deads, watch the videos. Infact they do Smith Squats instead of Squats.

MM

Who's they? MANY bodybuilders do free back squats, get your arse on youtube and have a look man Mate, how is the ROM for a deadlift not very big? You're lifting from the ground until you're stood fully upright.

I wish you the best of luck with your bodybuilding dreams, what weight are you sitting at now mate? You done any steroid cycles yet, because you're gonna need to

 

[Mad Manic]

Who's they? MANY bodybuilders do free back squats, get your arse on youtube and have a look man Mate, how is the ROM for a deadlift not very big? You're lifting from the ground until you're stood fully upright.

I wish you the best of luck with your bodybuilding dreams, what weight are you sitting at now mate? You done any steroid cycles yet, because you're gonna need to

Whenever I watch vids of BBers they rarely do barbell squats. Levrone, Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Cutler, Martinez etc. don't seem to do them. Coleman does though, infact he uses the most free weight movements of them all.

I'm 96 kg, 5' 11 1/2" - 6', bulking up till end of march then cut up for 10 weeks or so. Nope never taken any steroids, but yes I would need to.

MM

 

[spesmilitis]

You guessed wrong and besides you don't need much experience to find that out. Strength tends to be quite exercise specific anyway, although the best compounds have some carryover though. Deads are an ego exercise IMO. Good for newbie strength increases though.

MM

Find one accomplished strength athlete that agrees with you.

 

[wolf116]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc
Ronnie Coleman - Deadlift 800lbs

http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/.1122151145749.DSCN0120.JPG
Mad Manic, this guy has the best physic ever IMO, that back was built on deadlifts.

 

[Mad Manic]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc
Ronnie Coleman - Deadlift 800lbs

http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/1/.1122151145749.DSCN0120.JPG
Mad Manic, this guy has the best physic ever IMO, that back was built on deadlifts.

He doesn't seem to do deads regularly, if you check out other youtube vids Ron explains his back and biceps workout and never mentions deads. I think he just does Deads occassionally as a test of strength tbh. As for that guy, yeah nice spinal erectors. I think conventional Deads are avoided because of the type of muscles they build up that detract from aesthetics.

MM

 

[EFFORT]

i guess DC is also wrong too having his bodybuilding clients doing deadlifts/rackpulls as main back thickness exercises....maybe he should resign and refer them all to you MM

 

[Mad Manic]

i guess DC is also wrong too having his bodybuilding clients doing deadlifts/rackpulls as main back thickness exercises....maybe he should resign and refer them all to you MM

Cool, maybe he should.

MM

 

[EFFORT]

Cool, maybe he should.

MM

intensemuscle.com why don't you make a post about it on there forum

 

[stronglifts]

Tempted by a smolov Squat cycle Quagmire?

 

[Quagmire911]

Christ another bloody argument- make a thread people!!!

And yes Mehdi, Smolov has been on my mind for a while. My thoughts are I will wait until I get a home gym, although that might not happen for a while so I may just have to do it at my regular gym. It looks like I will hit 200+ and 400+ bench/deads before squat 300+ so it may very well be on the cards in a few months time. We shall see.

Today's "workout" to follow...

 

[Quagmire911]

Saturday

Overtraining anyone?

Did 75kgx3 and it felt really heavy, on the CG decline. Didn't manage 80 or 82.5, don't even think I got a rep on the last set. Did some hammers after that and then just pissed around doing some bi curls to see what I could do since I hadn't done them in a while. Don't ask. I was already shaking from the bench, even with so little so this tells me my CNS is fried. It would also explain the chronic fatigue and tiredness. I think I got a bi curl PR woot!

Hopefully this is overtraining. It would explain a lot as I have said. My body just hasn't had time to recover I think. What with all the drinking in December and then I try to max out as a "deload" and then got back into it a week later. Is it possible to overtrain one part of your body but not another? Feel as if it is only the upper body that is having problems.

Anyway, I will go easy for the next week and hopefully come back strong. If not then it is something serious and that would suck ass. However I have a feeling that I have been gunning for PR's for too long. We shall see...

I intend to do 80% weights for the next two sessions and may only do light cardio. Will at least give the burpees a by tomorrow...

Until Tuesday I reckon,

Quagmire

Ps-Will be eating like a horse

 

[Mad Manic]

intensemuscle.com why don't you make a post about it on there forum

Too interested in my own training, if someone cares about their own training enough they'll get it sorted and progress. Period.

MM