"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Punishing Her

bigneil

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Sometimes girls (who we have been seeing for awhile) will flake or break dates and we have to punish them in some way. In general I simply go MIA for a time, normally electing not to mention what they did wrong directly (it comes off as whining and/or can make a copy of whatever it was that was negative to begin with. It can also lead to resentment). That is, reward good behavior, and simply vanish for bad behavior.

However, in most cases they (hopefully) eventually write to us again, and if they are clever they have a way of getting through to us. No matter how angry I am it normally only seems to take my current best girl a few words to return to my good graces, but I do make her work for it.

Assuming it wasn't a deal-breaker or something major, how much is the right amount to punish a girl? Forcing her to initiate? Forcing her to double-text? Forcing her to triple-text? Forcing her to apologize versus just asking us out? (In other words, not responding unless she meets those conditions). Not writing back for weeks?

They say love never dies of starvation but often of indigestion, but I usually give in. Has anyone ever blown a relationship by not writing back?

Herein lies the key to maintaining the upper hand (next to impossible with young, hot women nowadays).

Your suggestions/experience appreciated.
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"And she promises the Earth to me and I believe her, after all this time I don't know why".
- John Lennon 1965
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Who Dares Win

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Mate its not that we withdraw or attention and then force them to reinitiate as a option, we do it as single and only tool left to us.

All other "punishments" are illegal, ineffective due to changes in society(communication) or obsolete.

Going ghost is the only thing left to punish girls or gauge interest.

However since Im getting worse and worse week after week Im planning something bad to do to a girl which pissed me off, cannot tell yet but I'll open a thread for some good laught if it works.
 

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Can't say turning my back on a chick caused it to end but it became so frequent that eventually the communication broke down to the point where the rest of the relationship was fractured. Difference is she did it to me also, without cause (certified bpd by 2 female psychiatrists). She would piss me off and I would walk. I got sick of the pattern and finally demanded she make changes and when she fvcks up to simply apologize and work to make things smooth. Of course, her tiny mind was incapable of admitting wrong or caring about others feelings so she would simply run away. Different scenario, I know, but the point is if your only recourse is ignoring her or the times where you go ghost are becoming the norm, it's gonna be a race to see who finds a better deal first.
 

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I allowed it to get to me and effectively ruin my day when my last gf brought up the "where is this going" for the second time.

I was supposed to stay over that night but I ignored her instead and she texted on the monday if I was mad at her.
Then she made a snide comment about me being butt hurt from the conversation.
Called me a "waste of time" if kids in the future were off the table.

At that point I was done putting any effort in and it was all down hill from there.

3 weeks later it was over.
 

Gangster Of Love

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That is why you don't "punish" them, you "put them on probation", you can actually say this to them, but you might have to do it in person to have it be effective; too risky by text, if you don't know what you're doing.

Obviously, the higher her interest in you, in general, the more she will respond to fear of loss. Putting her on probation sends all the right messages. You are calling her on it, while not acting like a whinny baby.
Make her "earn" back your approval. Broads love the reward system. Always make them qualify themselves to you.

At the moment, I have one in my team that I haven't seen in almost 4 weeks, and she knows she's on probation, so she's been begging for a chance to see me. Tonight it will be her making me dinner, and non-stop monkey love.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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