Mr. Delicious
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yes
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Pug's 100 approach journal
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i think if a girl calls back or picks up the phone period that's a good sign, how hard it is ESPEICLLY cell phones is it not to pick up and just hope you get the messege..
i've done it so many times myself.
even if you called left a messege and didn't get a call back but called the next day and she picked up.. that's still a green.
cell phones is the easiest way to just avoid somebody that's why i ONLY give my cell number out.
Pugsley_f5
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Well Fellas I must say I have come down with a pretty common sickness called oneitis, although I am not particularly upset about it and am actually enjoying it,(I just keep this fact from her and not seem needy)
Seeing that I am in it for a LTR and even more, In september I made a list of everything I want my future wife to be, (whether she is now or will become)
Needless to say within one hour of our first date starting I went over my list last night and she already has 16 of the 32 things, roughly half, she has no negatives yet meaning something I marked on the list that I wanted; that she wasnt, ie what I wanted was someone who has strong family ties, and she comes from a broken home and was a runaway rebellious chick, that would be a mark off and a sign for me to move on......that explained she doesnt have any markoffs as of now, all the rest of the things will take time to tell or I haven't figured out one way or the other if she fits that particular area I want/require. I will figure out somemore things tonight on the second date!!!! Yes There is a second one!!! I called her back once and she called me late last night and we both said we had fun the last time and we wanted to get together before I went homf for 5 days for xmas......she invited me to her salsa class, I dont consider myself a good dancer and declined and came back with a C+F recovery:
"Nah, Im sorry my agent would have my head on a plate if I was out dancing, I signed a contract with him that the only place I could dance was on MTV or wherever I was paid to...."
She started laughing alot over the phone, then I said "Yeh I don't just dance for anyone, you want to see my skills you have to pay to play"
Then I said "Man Ive been on one date with you and you are already trying to get frisky with me to go to salsa classes with you, this relationship is gonna have to progress a little further before I show you what they pay me to do on MTV"
she started laughing harder.....Looking back salsa class was a rather good idea, ie lots of kino and physical contact.....but at the risk of making an a*s out of myself I declined for a later date. Did I mention that this girl knows the Traditional style belly dance too, which is like top 3 things that would get me hornier than a male dog in a butt sniffing contest, if youeve seen the traditional belly dance with traditional garments guys you know what I'm talking about....you guys think strippers are hot when they dance, you haven't been turned on till youeve seen this stuff man!!
I know she is into me from the getgo, but she holds it back very well in a passive way so the first kiss is going to be nerveracking.........Im going to up the kino, Im gonna take her ice skating I think (tons of kino possibilities with holding hands etc) then maybe dinner or coffee or something and then for the closer, I was thinking at night going for a stroll through an arboretum park in Greensboro under the stars where we can have private time alone walking talking and then go for the kiss close......I am going to up the kino to hands holding tonight and on her waist and shoulder and then go for the "Do you like suprises"? kiss close tonight whats you alls reactions you have gotten on this close is it too forward and spontaneous?
Shes def into me though, she jumped through a hoop when she offered to skip her dance classes to go out with me.....good sign, I like her alot, but I am going to play the girl body langauge game, Ie where most guys let there mouth do the talking im gonna let my actions do the talking and be indifferent in my talking to her.....
I am also need to and going to elicit values on the talk part (read the dj boot camp book) and get some major connections going between us....its looksing good shes hot, she attractive, she has a coy shy side I love, and I positive supportive side of ehr that I love, so if things get better and better no use calling the doctor cause this oneitis feels good.
So thats a good sign soo far......I am still going to continue to focus on approaches as much as I can but oneitis can kinda snuff this motivation out, but if its all for the better I doesnt matter to me.....
I went out last night, and all I can say is I was scared using all these new approaches the first new approach is always the hardest.......it took me all the night to do it 4 hrs of lost oppurtunities, i finally went up to some blonde chick in walmart
Me: Hey, I just noticed you when you came in, and I had to take a second to see what you were like.......
Her: ok..... (made me really uneasy)
Me: My name is Chris
Her: Im blah blah
Me: you have a confused look on your face why?
Her: I was just waiting for a friend....
Me: Your Boyfriend?
Her: Yeh
Me: Ok cool, well it was good meeting you then adios
Her: Bye
I saw her with her Bf so she was telling the truth, wish me luck tonight any suggestions about the date hurry up im leaving soon!!!!
Pugs
Seeing that I am in it for a LTR and even more, In september I made a list of everything I want my future wife to be, (whether she is now or will become)
Needless to say within one hour of our first date starting I went over my list last night and she already has 16 of the 32 things, roughly half, she has no negatives yet meaning something I marked on the list that I wanted; that she wasnt, ie what I wanted was someone who has strong family ties, and she comes from a broken home and was a runaway rebellious chick, that would be a mark off and a sign for me to move on......that explained she doesnt have any markoffs as of now, all the rest of the things will take time to tell or I haven't figured out one way or the other if she fits that particular area I want/require. I will figure out somemore things tonight on the second date!!!! Yes There is a second one!!! I called her back once and she called me late last night and we both said we had fun the last time and we wanted to get together before I went homf for 5 days for xmas......she invited me to her salsa class, I dont consider myself a good dancer and declined and came back with a C+F recovery:
"Nah, Im sorry my agent would have my head on a plate if I was out dancing, I signed a contract with him that the only place I could dance was on MTV or wherever I was paid to...."
She started laughing alot over the phone, then I said "Yeh I don't just dance for anyone, you want to see my skills you have to pay to play"
Then I said "Man Ive been on one date with you and you are already trying to get frisky with me to go to salsa classes with you, this relationship is gonna have to progress a little further before I show you what they pay me to do on MTV"
she started laughing harder.....Looking back salsa class was a rather good idea, ie lots of kino and physical contact.....but at the risk of making an a*s out of myself I declined for a later date. Did I mention that this girl knows the Traditional style belly dance too, which is like top 3 things that would get me hornier than a male dog in a butt sniffing contest, if youeve seen the traditional belly dance with traditional garments guys you know what I'm talking about....you guys think strippers are hot when they dance, you haven't been turned on till youeve seen this stuff man!!
I know she is into me from the getgo, but she holds it back very well in a passive way so the first kiss is going to be nerveracking.........Im going to up the kino, Im gonna take her ice skating I think (tons of kino possibilities with holding hands etc) then maybe dinner or coffee or something and then for the closer, I was thinking at night going for a stroll through an arboretum park in Greensboro under the stars where we can have private time alone walking talking and then go for the kiss close......I am going to up the kino to hands holding tonight and on her waist and shoulder and then go for the "Do you like suprises"? kiss close tonight whats you alls reactions you have gotten on this close is it too forward and spontaneous?
Shes def into me though, she jumped through a hoop when she offered to skip her dance classes to go out with me.....good sign, I like her alot, but I am going to play the girl body langauge game, Ie where most guys let there mouth do the talking im gonna let my actions do the talking and be indifferent in my talking to her.....
I am also need to and going to elicit values on the talk part (read the dj boot camp book) and get some major connections going between us....its looksing good shes hot, she attractive, she has a coy shy side I love, and I positive supportive side of ehr that I love, so if things get better and better no use calling the doctor cause this oneitis feels good.
So thats a good sign soo far......I am still going to continue to focus on approaches as much as I can but oneitis can kinda snuff this motivation out, but if its all for the better I doesnt matter to me.....
I went out last night, and all I can say is I was scared using all these new approaches the first new approach is always the hardest.......it took me all the night to do it 4 hrs of lost oppurtunities, i finally went up to some blonde chick in walmart
Me: Hey, I just noticed you when you came in, and I had to take a second to see what you were like.......
Her: ok..... (made me really uneasy)
Me: My name is Chris
Her: Im blah blah
Me: you have a confused look on your face why?
Her: I was just waiting for a friend....
Me: Your Boyfriend?
Her: Yeh
Me: Ok cool, well it was good meeting you then adios
Her: Bye
I saw her with her Bf so she was telling the truth, wish me luck tonight any suggestions about the date hurry up im leaving soon!!!!
Pugs
hannibal82
Senior Don Juan
PUG,
I havn't been hanging on here for a long time, but it is nice to come on here and see somebody getting off of their ass and doing something. I remember when I first started here at this very same place and was doing the same things........you're doing a great job, I salute you. I'd say good luck on your date tonight, but remember...........make your own luck!
I havn't been hanging on here for a long time, but it is nice to come on here and see somebody getting off of their ass and doing something. I remember when I first started here at this very same place and was doing the same things........you're doing a great job, I salute you. I'd say good luck on your date tonight, but remember...........make your own luck!
BigWillyStyle
Banned
Yeah, stop analyzing every moment and let it flow.
You actually made a list with 32 traits for your future wife and checked to see if this chick has half of them to qualify? Dayum! Settle down, you're still in the getting to know each other stage.
Pugsley_f5
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Well guys what can I say.......We went out on a second date and it was awesome....... We had a good convo over dinner, and then I took her to a local park at night (moonlight it was a gorgeous night out about 55 deg)
and we walked thru the park and talked and I put my arm around her and we held hands then we sat down on a bench and just talked for about 3 hours about life, she got cold and snuggled up next to me, I loved it, I gave her a neck rub and she enjoyed it alot.......man guys everytime I see her she outdoes my previous conception of her, when I met her she was dressed down and about a 7.5 to 8, the first date she looked totally different because she wasnt sporting the punk look and she was a little more dressed up with makeup.......this time, all I can say is WOW!
She was a little more classy girl when we went out with her hair down and in my opinion shes now uped the ante again and she looked like an easy 8.5 and close to a 9 looks wise. Im hooked!!! Im digging it!!! Im still keeping control though, im still setting up the dates but not being needy or looking needy as to push her away.......
She said something that totally florred me on the date these were her words (translated by pugs in rough from the exact wording) when i was telling a little bit about the type of person I am and what I stand for...
"I admire all of these things about you, I didnt even know guys like you still existed......"
I was like whoa! Can you say "Shes into me"
I havent voiced my liking for her but I let my actions speak for themselves......
Also out of that list of things that i wrote down I wanted in a woman and then committed it to prayer and then took action
I was able to mark off about another 9 from the list making the poll soo far of things im looking for that she has
26/32
the remainder of the triats are ones that I am not in the position to mark off (aka some of them are about when im married so I cannot mark them off)
I also was able to mark off what would have been the dealbreaker if she did not fit the bill.....that was if she was a virgin or not (on my list I wanted her to be.....and come to find out she is!!!! YEAH!)
I was hoping to god that she was cause if she wasn't I would to have had to get rid of a girl whom I was extremely into............
everything is on the up and up.......
GUYS AND GIRLS
Heres the weird part that is kinda cool about her but also really abnormal....
We had our first kiss which was awesome and we did it on a bridge over the stream in the park with the moonlight hitting the stream....very cool setting.....we go on the bridge I turn and look at her and she was leaning on the edge of the railing and I had my hands on the railing with her in between my arms (not in a bad way)...... and I said to her
"You know what Im thinking about right now......?"
Her: No
Me: Geuss
Her: I don't know
Me: Cmon Geuss
Her: I seriously have no clue
Me: Im thinking about how much I want to kiss you right now......
I then put my hands behind her head and my fingers up in her hair.......supporting her head......she was really shy and when I ran my hands thru her hair behind her head there was definatly electricity going on and I think I sent chills thru her body by her reaction I then tilted her head and looked into her eyes deeply and then kissed her.....the kissing was awesome!!!
Heres the weird and cool part, If I wasn't mistaken I think everytime I kissed her she had an orgasm (NO JOKE HERE GUYS!)
Whenever I would go intokiss again her kisses were very passionate but also very stop and go........and everytime I kissed her I could feel her muscles in her neck tighten up super tight and kinda spasm......I swear to god it seemed like I was giving her an orgasm each time we kissed with me hands behind her neck...........her neck would spasm and she had to stop kissing to breathe (after only 3 secs of kissing and she would stop right after the spasm would happen)......I was like heh weird but very cool, dont have to worry about her being satisfied again........
this is the only conclusion I could draw, it musteve happened 5 times in a 10 min period or more.............
one time she got upset cause i kinda chuckled, (kinda like the saem type of chuckle when I girl notices you getting a boner in HS date type thing) she kinda got upset for a sec and then i said I was just smiling and chuckling casue she was "cute" , phew good recovery.......also her insecurity in this fact makes me think she was having an orgasm....Defiantly cool,
Ive heard this type of thing is possible, *BUT* VERY RARE men and women all pipe in on this and let me know......
Also I have another question......what are some way thats I can make the relationship start to progress from a "dating type" of relationship to a "STR or LTR" Obviosly I don't want to come off as needy or AFC and be with her 24/7 although I wouldn't mind it, that can snuff out attraction if it gets AFCish and also how do I maintain in control of the relationship to stop any longer term problems.....I haven't seen any ***** tests, but im keen to them and know how to handle them.......
The real problem is that all the other times dating went to a relationship we hung out everyday (college campus) wherehas with this we cant do that and will maybe have 2-3 days a week to spend with each other..... what are some small things I can do to keep the attraction going without being afc and always keep her wanting more (also neither of us are going to participate in any sort of sex oral or otherwise so thats out of the option and was indirectly agreed with by both of us cause thats the way we I want it)
How can you keep building attraction even though youeve been on a few dates without any sexual activity?
Concrete examples needed.....
and at what point should I tell her I like her (if at all ) my actions have showed it but I havent told her it, I know how the whole "I love you thing goes" and when not to and at what point its ok to say it, but just tell her that im into her?
Also what are some ways that I can be sweet to her without being AFCish and buying her stuff, I think after several mores times together this may help the shift to STR?
sorry for all the questions But I need help......cause i have a keeper and want to keep(er)..........
Please address all the questions if you could with concrete examples...
Thanks Guys
Pugs
and we walked thru the park and talked and I put my arm around her and we held hands then we sat down on a bench and just talked for about 3 hours about life, she got cold and snuggled up next to me, I loved it, I gave her a neck rub and she enjoyed it alot.......man guys everytime I see her she outdoes my previous conception of her, when I met her she was dressed down and about a 7.5 to 8, the first date she looked totally different because she wasnt sporting the punk look and she was a little more dressed up with makeup.......this time, all I can say is WOW!
She was a little more classy girl when we went out with her hair down and in my opinion shes now uped the ante again and she looked like an easy 8.5 and close to a 9 looks wise. Im hooked!!! Im digging it!!! Im still keeping control though, im still setting up the dates but not being needy or looking needy as to push her away.......
She said something that totally florred me on the date these were her words (translated by pugs in rough from the exact wording) when i was telling a little bit about the type of person I am and what I stand for...
"I admire all of these things about you, I didnt even know guys like you still existed......"
I was like whoa! Can you say "Shes into me"
I havent voiced my liking for her but I let my actions speak for themselves......
Also out of that list of things that i wrote down I wanted in a woman and then committed it to prayer and then took action
I was able to mark off about another 9 from the list making the poll soo far of things im looking for that she has
26/32
the remainder of the triats are ones that I am not in the position to mark off (aka some of them are about when im married so I cannot mark them off)
I also was able to mark off what would have been the dealbreaker if she did not fit the bill.....that was if she was a virgin or not (on my list I wanted her to be.....and come to find out she is!!!! YEAH!)
I was hoping to god that she was cause if she wasn't I would to have had to get rid of a girl whom I was extremely into............
everything is on the up and up.......
GUYS AND GIRLS
Heres the weird part that is kinda cool about her but also really abnormal....
We had our first kiss which was awesome and we did it on a bridge over the stream in the park with the moonlight hitting the stream....very cool setting.....we go on the bridge I turn and look at her and she was leaning on the edge of the railing and I had my hands on the railing with her in between my arms (not in a bad way)...... and I said to her
"You know what Im thinking about right now......?"
Her: No
Me: Geuss
Her: I don't know
Me: Cmon Geuss
Her: I seriously have no clue
Me: Im thinking about how much I want to kiss you right now......
I then put my hands behind her head and my fingers up in her hair.......supporting her head......she was really shy and when I ran my hands thru her hair behind her head there was definatly electricity going on and I think I sent chills thru her body by her reaction I then tilted her head and looked into her eyes deeply and then kissed her.....the kissing was awesome!!!
Heres the weird and cool part, If I wasn't mistaken I think everytime I kissed her she had an orgasm (NO JOKE HERE GUYS!)
Whenever I would go intokiss again her kisses were very passionate but also very stop and go........and everytime I kissed her I could feel her muscles in her neck tighten up super tight and kinda spasm......I swear to god it seemed like I was giving her an orgasm each time we kissed with me hands behind her neck...........her neck would spasm and she had to stop kissing to breathe (after only 3 secs of kissing and she would stop right after the spasm would happen)......I was like heh weird but very cool, dont have to worry about her being satisfied again........
this is the only conclusion I could draw, it musteve happened 5 times in a 10 min period or more.............
one time she got upset cause i kinda chuckled, (kinda like the saem type of chuckle when I girl notices you getting a boner in HS date type thing) she kinda got upset for a sec and then i said I was just smiling and chuckling casue she was "cute" , phew good recovery.......also her insecurity in this fact makes me think she was having an orgasm....Defiantly cool,
Ive heard this type of thing is possible, *BUT* VERY RARE men and women all pipe in on this and let me know......
Also I have another question......what are some way thats I can make the relationship start to progress from a "dating type" of relationship to a "STR or LTR" Obviosly I don't want to come off as needy or AFC and be with her 24/7 although I wouldn't mind it, that can snuff out attraction if it gets AFCish and also how do I maintain in control of the relationship to stop any longer term problems.....I haven't seen any ***** tests, but im keen to them and know how to handle them.......
The real problem is that all the other times dating went to a relationship we hung out everyday (college campus) wherehas with this we cant do that and will maybe have 2-3 days a week to spend with each other..... what are some small things I can do to keep the attraction going without being afc and always keep her wanting more (also neither of us are going to participate in any sort of sex oral or otherwise so thats out of the option and was indirectly agreed with by both of us cause thats the way we I want it)
How can you keep building attraction even though youeve been on a few dates without any sexual activity?
Concrete examples needed.....
and at what point should I tell her I like her (if at all ) my actions have showed it but I havent told her it, I know how the whole "I love you thing goes" and when not to and at what point its ok to say it, but just tell her that im into her?
Also what are some ways that I can be sweet to her without being AFCish and buying her stuff, I think after several mores times together this may help the shift to STR?
sorry for all the questions But I need help......cause i have a keeper and want to keep(er)..........
Please address all the questions if you could with concrete examples...
Thanks Guys
Pugs
Pugsley_f5
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sounds like you got a winner pugs, and i can also kinda tell that oneitis is coming out little by little, because already your analyzeing the situations and are wondering how you can develop what you got into a STR or LTR.
i think you should contemplate other things, like how your gonna wow her on the next date, or intresting ways to get her to open up to you sexually.
rather than broad things such as an LTR. but that's just IMO
i think you should contemplate other things, like how your gonna wow her on the next date, or intresting ways to get her to open up to you sexually.
rather than broad things such as an LTR. but that's just IMO
Mr. Delicious
Senior Don Juan
nice pugsley. you're doing great! I love the line about the dancing. Ia m going to have to remember that because i have a severe case of white man's disease.
good job pugs...seems u got onenitis...::sigh:: ...i think you're kinda pushing it by looking for an LTR after two dates, but whatever...just take it day by day...anyway im proud of ya and make sure you keep approaching...if you don't have any girls on the side, you will definitely become obsessed and seem desperate...anyway happy holidays and keep it up...
...i think you're kinda pushing it by looking for an LTR after two dates, but whatever...just take it day by day...anyway im proud of ya and make sure you keep approaching...if you don't have any girls on the side, you will definitely become obsessed and seem desperate...anyway happy holidays and keep it up...Man, I love this post. It only took 2 weeks and 24 approaches to find someone who seems really cool.
The simplicity of it could put all the SS companies out of business. lol
And honestly, I think I would rather do 25 ultra-direct approaches then a bunch of 10-15 minute david-bowie opinion routines.
The simplicity of it could put all the SS companies out of business. lol
And honestly, I think I would rather do 25 ultra-direct approaches then a bunch of 10-15 minute david-bowie opinion routines.
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
yeah man look like your being pretty smooth
Pugsley_f5
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Hey guys..........any help though on my questions I had in the last post.............
pugs, man you are doing everything you need to.. from what i've read this girl is definately into you, so dont overgame her.
You dont need to say "i like you" .. however you can hint that you are having a great time with her...
For example, i went to casino with a girl.. and when we came back to my place, i told her as we were making out "I left that casino with the best prize in the world".
Dont try to be mr smoove all of the sudden.. she digs you how you are.. so just have fun man.
go get em tiget
You dont need to say "i like you" .. however you can hint that you are having a great time with her...
For example, i went to casino with a girl.. and when we came back to my place, i told her as we were making out "I left that casino with the best prize in the world".
Dont try to be mr smoove all of the sudden.. she digs you how you are.. so just have fun man.
go get em tiget
Pugsley_f5
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After reading David d's book, talking about how chicks *love* to know that you are thinking about them.....I was thinking about after our next date this weds on thursday night going to her work and leave a note on her car for when she gets off saying something like this.........
Hey, I was just driving by your work tonight and I wanted to drop you off a note to tell you that I had a blast last night with you and I was thinking about you.............
Chris
Hows that sound, good but not overbearing I love u stuff....anyone who has david ds book reread this section....
Pugs
Hey, I was just driving by your work tonight and I wanted to drop you off a note to tell you that I had a blast last night with you and I was thinking about you.............
Chris
Hows that sound, good but not overbearing I love u stuff....anyone who has david ds book reread this section....
Pugs
skinnydart
Master Don Juan
I'm probably wrong, but why does this sound so anti-dj ish?
Pugsley_f5
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This statement was made under the assumption I believe that she already has a high interest in you and you have been on a few dates, doing it after the first date with no kiss would be kinda overbearing and needy methinks any more opinions?
Pugs
Pugs
has she stopped by your worked and given you a BJ yet?
come on man.. you dont have to go this far out of line... how about taking her somewhere very romantic on a date (lakeshore with some moonlight?)
Remember..you dont do all the "special extras" if she doesnt return the favours...
come on man.. you dont have to go this far out of line... how about taking her somewhere very romantic on a date (lakeshore with some moonlight?)
Remember..you dont do all the "special extras" if she doesnt return the favours...
Pugsley_f5
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well first of all she has no clue where I work (location wise) and second of all neither of us are gonna do anything of a sexual nature by both of our choices which we agreed and I plan to keep it that way......How I feel by how she has expressed to me is this, She has found someone whom she really likes and doesn't want to screw it up and I am in the same boat, so things are going really really slow cause both of us dont want to screw things up.........If I was her know how I acted, I would still had that shadow of a doubt that he likes me cause he hasnt voiced anything but weve kissed......so I think we are both playing the fields very conservative, I know I would be if I was her
Pugs
Pugs
Pug you want a LTR with this girl but: "neither of us are gonna do anything of a sexual nature by both of our choices which we agreed and I plan to keep it that way". This is NOT alpha male behaviour my man. Being a man also means being sexual. Kissing a girl is only the beginning of the sexual attraction, but if you don't amplify this you come across as a wussy (read David D's book Bridges).
Since this girl is a virgin the rules probably don't apply in the same way. But for real how old is she because a good looking girl still being a virgin at the age of at least 18 is weird in this world. It could mean she's the I don't have sex untill I'm married kind of type, or she could have some issues. Think about it.
My advice: Tap that ass as soon as possible, and give her a real orgasm. After all you could become the sensitive friend, while she's getting some by a dude who acts on his natural impulses.
Since this girl is a virgin the rules probably don't apply in the same way. But for real how old is she because a good looking girl still being a virgin at the age of at least 18 is weird in this world. It could mean she's the I don't have sex untill I'm married kind of type, or she could have some issues. Think about it.
My advice: Tap that ass as soon as possible, and give her a real orgasm. After all you could become the sensitive friend, while she's getting some by a dude who acts on his natural impulses.