PUA's Uncovered... women know what you're upto

[Mad Manic]

Lol, I just remembered when I was 14, my dad told me in the car on the way to home, "Don't ever get deeply involved with women, trust me they are ****ing bad news, I hope you'll remember this when you're older."

Haha, kinda funny looking back now.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Lol, I just remembered when I was 14, my dad told me in the car on the way to home, "Don't ever get deeply involved with women, trust me they are ****ing bad news, I hope you'll remember this when you're older."

Haha, kinda funny looking back now.

Yeah, definitely funny. Bad news huh? What do you think he meant by telling you this?

 

[Mad Manic]

Yeah, definitely funny. Bad news huh? What do you think he meant by telling you this?

I think he was letting off steam at the time, it wasn't a planned thing. But yes as a father he doesn't want me making the same mistakes as he did. Saying that he wasn't that much of an 'AFC', I mean he's ok at getting women to be fair. Poor at relationships though, mainly coz he sees it as BS.

 

[ElStud]

If you actually care about these articles, I have to say one thing, stop depending so much on techniques and just be natural with your game. The thing is with you guys is women can tell you want to get laid, but different from AFC's you can trick them just like the article says. But if you're just a naturally social guy and your the same guy around women, as you are any other time you have nothing to worry about. Basically, stop putting on an act for the women.

 

[Mad Manic]

No such thing as natural mate. Everything is learnt other than your basic human instincts. Sleeping, shagging, eating, drinking and survival. Talking to humans isn't natural, has to be learnt. Nevermind all these intricacies to operate within society! But like me, you're young and will learn.

 

[ElStud]

But thing is that you can learn the stuff to the point that it does become natural to you. And that's the point where the women can no longer tell whether it's a technique or not, because it's so much a part of who you really are and she can see it's not an image that you're creating to get her in bed.

 

[Mad Manic]

But thing is that you can learn the stuff to the point that it does become natural to you. And that's the point where the women can no longer tell whether it's a technique or not, because it's so much a part of who you really are and she can see it's not an image that you're creating to get her in bed.

Yes, so learn pick up to the point it's natural then. Don't just dismiss it and say 'be natural instead' because if you put your mind to it you can make pick up natural too. Just like whatever skill set you have already. And tbh most women aren't that clever, they usually can't distinguish between a good routinist/illusionist and a natural anyway. You can fake it even. Mystery has it down to a tee and he's the top dog.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

.... You can fake it even..

I was right with 'ya until this point. Perhaps it could be faked, but then it wouldn't be natural. Yes, things can be taught, understood, believed and acted upon until it can be performed "naturally" (authentically). That hold much more personal value than faking it. Plus faking it would mean that you would believe that memorizing routines would help you in the long run...

 

[movistar]

Luckly, the type of chicks I use PU line on probably don't read or use computers too much. So they won't see this. Once you make it part of who YOU are, it can't be detected. Its most important element is confidence.

 

[Mad Manic]

I was right with 'ya until this point. Perhaps it could be faked, but then it wouldn't be natural. Yes, things can be taught, understood, believed and acted upon until it can be performed "naturally" (authentically). That hold much more personal value than faking it. Plus faking it would mean that you would believe that memorizing routines would help you in the long run...

I know, I never recommended it, I'm just saying it's possible, women aren't that clever in general. Mystery is obviously our main man for this.

 

[Ever onward]

Sounds like a movement to counter the seduction community. Didn't she say something about selling her own ebooks in there? It's like we strike and they counter strike. But then we strike right back. It's all part of the game. They figure out what we're doing, we do something else. It's an evolutionary process.

 

[How To Spot]

From the Author of the Article

Hello Gentlemen! Am very willing to discuss this as long as it stays civil and educational for BOTH of us. I'm not interested in an assault....

I am a psychotherapist, author, and researcher in the field of psychopathology. I began my career working in homicide--with family members of murder victims. I then worked in the area of women's sexual assault, followed by working in psychopathology with BOTH men and women who are permanently disordered. Today, I am involved in the first ever research project of women who have been in intimate relationships with psychopaths. I am trained in hypnosis and some NLP.

This is probably too long to completely and adequately discuss here which is a sociological view at the increasing 'general publics' pathological behaviors implying an increase in a pathological world view and culture. The reason that's important is there are many research oriented organizations that are tracking the frequent use of behaviors that use to be seen only in pathologically disordered people which is now being seen in the general public with increasing frequency. For quite some time, the whole issue of PUA's has been quietly (and maybe not so quietly -- LOL~) studied.

The reason it is studied is multi-faceted---but can include: some of the behaviors taught by PUA's resembles pathology-based behaviors, the use of NLP/Hypnosis in female populations outside of clinical use, a sometimes callous and disconnected view of women by PUA's which seems to be strongly focused on 'scoring,' and certainly Mystery has certainly tainted to view of 'men's relationship coaching' with his own mental illness. This is by far not the only list and I"m just skimming over it briefly here.

PUA's are not the only area of study regarding the spread of pathological-like behaviors and belief systems now seen frequently in the culture. But it is ONE area and it seems like some of you are asking 'why' the concern about your 'training' from outsiders like us---this is part of it, at least from the clinical field. Since this is about your personal relationships, I don't expect that the research associated with what we are looking at will have much interest to outsiders.

On a more personal side, I have been providing counseling to women who have been in dangerous relationships with men who use various tactics that have been damaging. Warning women about the misuse of NLP, hypnosis and 'training' that might be misused against them, is relevant for what I do in counseling. If you aren't involved in that kind of misuse in a relationship, then we are on the same page.

Additionally, since we do advocate for women understanding the effects of mental illness on relationships, Mystery's mental illness and him being 'qualified' in any sense to offer 'relationship coaching' (if that's what you want to call it) does raise red flags for an organization that tries to help women avoid damaging relationships. I wouldn't advocate for women to date men with serious mental health issues (nor do I advocate for men to date women with serious mental health issues) so I wouldn't advocate for women to date men who have been 'coached' by someone with serious mental health issues.

And yes, I do also work with men who have been in relationships with pathologically disordered women. I have an e-book that helps men distinguish between healthy women to date and women whose disorders are likely to become a dating hazard (www.DateBetterWomenNow.com).

My clinical background in research and mental health probably gives me a different view point here---but if you have been curious as to what is going on in the clinical field regarding this (and other areas that are being studied) then there you have it. Hope this provides some useful information.

 

[reset]

The guys who want to use this stuff to meet quality women will use it in a quality way, the guys who want to use women will use it in a manipulative way. There's nothing new with this stuff, it's just being repackaged.

Quality women have nothing to worry about from quality men. And sometimes it the quality men, who need the most "coaching" becuase they AREN'T manipulative by nature.

To say guys that are trying to learn strategies to better understand the opposite sex (strategies that work) is somehow pathological or harmful, is very shortsighted.

I think women are concerned that their games are being exposed and are afraid that men are learning to walk around them. Maybe in a way it scares women because they don't want to be fooled into thinking they are with a real man, after all the shields and games they erect are designed to weed out the men who wouldn't bother to learn this stuff.

 

[How To Spot]

I didn't say that strategies that work are necessarily pathological. Nor do I think women are afraid of 'real men.' Again, I work with women and speak to women who have been in dangerous and potentially homicidal relationships. That's why posting something clipped from my site doesn't make complete sense in this context. Quality men learning appropriate relationship skills is wonderful. Pathological men learning even more inappropriate uses of things like NLP and hypnosis, is horrid. No one is talking about great guys. We're talking about misuse here.

 

[War Against Betaism]

The funny part about this is that the women who are using these methods to counter manipulation won't get this manipulation used on them in the first place. I'm betting these women are ugly, 4, 5's or 6's. We're not going to be hitting on them.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hello Gentlemen! Am very willing to discuss this as long as it stays civil and educational for BOTH of us.....

I'm booking the first flight to Bermuda...

 

[How To Spot]

I can see no one is really interested in discussing this...it's about 4, 5's and 6's? Ok. I'm done--someone asked me to respond to this so I have. Have a great day Gentlemen.

 

[xdreamz]

noo they don't know what i'm up to....

 

[Reyaj]

so has anyone else besides me noticed that Mystery looks like a tranvestite and there is no proof of him ever scoring with a hottie that wasn't scripted?

 

[xdreamz]

i use secret style