"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
PUA material is useless?
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
First point: PU is a business.
Not if you don't make it so. You don't have to spend a dime on learning PU theory. My total expenditure has been about $10 for a used body-language book. That's it, and I've been reading and listening to PU stuff since 1997.
Second point: Forget learning how to get women through technique, if you're successful you will automatically get women.
Wrong. I'm not even going to go into this one. I know a lot of guys who are attractive, well maintained with a good job who can't get laid to save their lives OR who can get laid but get walked on by women.
Juice09
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The canned lines, the ****y + funny, the underemphasis of appearance, the overemphasis of "game", the heavy analyzation of meaningless phone calls/texts/conversations, it's all stupid and silly and makes it appear like meeting women is some kind of complex obstacle where you can **** up any point and destroy any possible chances of getting laid. It's not hard to meet women, as long as the girl digs you, which she will if she thinks you're cute and cool, all you have to do is do you.
Although I was never really a part of the whole PUA community, it's obviously a fvcking business to anyone with a set of eyeballs. The consumer base are ugly guys, guys with no style, weirdos, losers, etc, who are told that they can be fvcking beautiful women left and right if they just do "****y + funny" or gain some self confidence. It's created a slew of socially awkward try-hards who make weird comments all the time and scare girls away. The thing is, if you're an ugly weirdo, you're not going to get laid, and all this is just gonna make you look like an even bigger freak to women.
The basic rules of attraction are obvious and apply to women too, don't be clingy, don't show excessive interest, etc. Other than that you need to look good, you need to have style, and you need to be cool. Get out and party, be a social person, and just let that **** come naturally.
This is exactly the mindframe you don't wanna have, a fairy tale image of women and a generic concept of love and attraction that you got from your mom.Maxtro said:The whole concept of trying to go for a same night lay just sounds creepy. Any girl who puts out on the night I meet her is not worth my time.
Women are horny and women love sex. They're not allowed to act like it in public because it's not socially acceptable, and rightfully so, but that doesn't mean they aren't just as horny as us. Im glad we have guys who expect women to behave like chastity belt wearing mormons though, because it allows the rest of us to bang their girlfriends behind their backs.
not going to argue in support of either side because im still making up my mind myself but just FYI this argument is a fallacy.Zarky said:The blog post mentioned in the OP is entirely wrong.
First point: PU is a business.
Not if you don't make it so. You don't have to spend a dime on learning PU theory. My total expenditure has been about $10 for a used body-language book. That's it, and I've been reading and listening to PU stuff since 1997.
just beacuse you dont make it so, doesnt mean it isnt. a burger is food whether or not you eat it.
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99% of routines, opinion openers, peacocking ideas, etc are crap. They don't contribute to social skills, they don't contribute to any sort of mindset, and all they do is create opportunities for failure during any given interaction
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
We have a metaphysical disagreement then. Reality is what I experience. If I don't experience it, it doesn't exist. That's my opinion, don't really care if it's anyone else's.garruk said:not going to argue in support of either side because im still making up my mind myself but just FYI this argument is a fallacy.
just beacuse you dont make it so, doesnt mean it isnt. a burger is food whether or not you eat it.
You could also say that porn is a big business. I never spend any money on porn, so to me it isn't.