PU Technique: Assumption -> Explanation

[One on One]

I've been searching the forums for tips on cold approaches and good lines and I've been stunned at the stupidity in a lot of the suggestions. It seems everyone suggests one of the following:

1. Say "hi, how are you" and expect a total stranger to open up to you.

2. Deliver a "neg-hit" such as "your nose is too big" to a complete stranger.

Both of these strategies are completely absurd and should never be followed. They both reek of "pick-up" and makes the girl think "this guy is a complete psycho."

I am far from an expert in seduction. I am a virgin and I have very little experience, however I do have the common sense to make a suggestion on cold approaches. The formula I use and have had success with is quite simple. It is a three step process:

1. Notice something about her (something she's holding, wearing, etc., but try to stay away from actual physical appearance unless it's a tattoo or something unique).

2. Comment on that with an assumptive question or comment. (ie. "Do you go to school in the city?", "Do you like Radiohead?")

3. Once she acknowledges you with a facial expression or response, explain why you made that assumption. (ie. "I saw you had a backpack.", "I saw your shirt.")

It's that easy. Use this formula and she won't discard you in the freak category. Proceed to fluff talk. Forget about those stupid "neg-hits" and pick-up lines when you first meet a girl.

 

[THA REALNESS]

I agree.


Yup. A cold approach is not properly defined here.

How the hell are you gonna tell these kids these kids to go out and greet and the insult complete strangers and expect to get laid. ??


Number2. Is THE opening line to ask a stupid question or make a comment to no one in particular wth the goal of grabbing her attention and at that very second you dive in head first for a full fledged conversation.....the rest is practice.

 

[M2k961]

Yes, nice post, thanks for writing it

 

[wolfie]

"Your nose is too big" is not a Neg-Hit. It's a criticism or insult.
"Your nose is so cute.. it moves when u talk hahaha" is a neg hit. It is a backhanded compliment, or hitting on them in a negative, teasing way, a compliment with a negative edge to it. Other examples include "That's nice hair you have.. what colour is it normally?" (credit: Don John) as opposed to "Your hair looks dyed."
"Wow you're tall. Those heels send you right up there." as opposed to "Need high heels do you, shorty?"
See the difference? Neg hits bring her up and initially make her think you're supplicating, then slap her right down to your level. Ideally she will be so shocked that you dared to say such a thing to her that you look more alpha in her eyes, yet the compliment part of the neg-hit allows you to get away with criticising her because you're not being a jerk by insulting her, you just complimented her too!
Of course.. HBs being HBs (insecure, stuck up), the part about your statement she will pay most attention to is the negative part, yet she can't act bytchy about it without looking stupid because she will look anal and over sensitive. After all, you just complimented her. What kind of bytch would she look like if she reacted badly to that?

 

[One on One]

Originally posted by wolfie
"Your nose is too big" is not a Neg-Hit. It's a criticism or insult.
"Your nose is so cute.. it moves when u talk hahaha" is a neg hit. It is a backhanded compliment, or hitting on them in a negative, teasing way, a compliment with a negative edge to it. Other examples include "That's nice hair you have.. what colour is it normally?" (credit: Don John) as opposed to "Your hair looks dyed."
"Wow you're tall. Those heels send you right up there." as opposed to "Need high heels do you, shorty?"
See the difference? Neg hits bring her up and initially make her think you're supplicating, then slap her right down to your level. Ideally she will be so shocked that you dared to say such a thing to her that you look more alpha in her eyes, yet the compliment part of the neg-hit allows you to get away with criticising her because you're not being a jerk by insulting her, you just complimented her too!
Of course.. HBs being HBs (insecure, stuck up), the part about your statement she will pay most attention to is the negative part, yet she can't act bytchy about it without looking stupid because she will look anal and over sensitive. After all, you just complimented her. What kind of bytch would she look like if she reacted badly to that?

I was exaggerating on my example of a "neg-hit" to show how stupid they are. Your "neg-hits" are just as idiotic. My point is that you should talk to a girl just like you would anyone else. Be NORMAL and not some loser with cheesy lines. To think the girl doesn't know what you're doing with a "neg-hit" is asinine.

 

[wolfie]

Originally posted by One on One
I was exaggerating on my example of a "neg-hit" to show how stupid they are. Your "neg-hits" are just as idiotic. My point is that you should talk to a girl just like you would anyone else. Be NORMAL and not some loser with cheesy lines. To think the girl doesn't know what you're doing with a "neg-hit" is asinine.

Girls meet plenty of people who talk to them like anyone else. Just because you talk to a girl like she's normal doesn't mean she'll be attracted to you at all. She gets treated like a normal person every day of her life. Only pathetic AFCs treat her as anything but normal... You need things to help you stand out. Also, you exaggerated your example of a 'neg hit' to the point of stupidity, whereupon it was no longer a neg hit. Cheesy lines? Pickup lines? None of these are pickup lines. They're just verbal frameworks that are meant to affect a person psychologically.

You think the girl is going to know what you're doing with a neg hit? Prove it. When have you ever teased a girl and had the girl go "Ha ha nice try, you're trying to attract me by using neg hits!".
Do you ever tease women at all? Bust them? C+F? Or do you just ask them interview style questions about their life... like they're normal. Newsflash.. women like to feel special, not normal. "I feel so normal with you" is not a mindset that they have towards a partner.
Neg hits are just another way of teasing a girl like you would your little sister. It builds comfort and shows that you aren't supplicative.
You sound like you're too afraid to try anything that might sound different or that feels 'unsafe' to you.
Going up to a girl and asking her endless questions about what she's wearing and where she got it and why she likes it is hardly interesting. At some point you're going to have to express your interest in her as a MAN, and not a fashion critic.

 

[wolfie]

Oh yes, and you don't just walk up to a girl and go "Hi, how you going? Those are nice shoes you have. They make you look taller than you really are". OF COURSE THAT IS BLOODY WEIRD. There's a time and a place to neg a girl, and that is once you're actually in conversation and have actually established a level of comfort and familiarity.. then you can proceed to lay on the c+f and teasing and negging.

 

[D4H]

Girls meet plenty of people who talk to them like anyone else. Just because you talk to a girl like she's normal doesn't mean she'll be attracted to you at all. She gets treated like a normal person every day of her life. Only pathetic AFCs treat her as anything but normal... You need things to help you stand out. Also, you exaggerated your example of a 'neg hit' to the point of stupidity, whereupon it was no longer a neg hit. Cheesy lines? Pickup lines? None of these are pickup lines. They're just verbal frameworks that are meant to affect a person psychologically.

You think the girl is going to know what you're doing with a neg hit? Prove it. When have you ever teased a girl and had the girl go "Ha ha nice try, you're trying to attract me by using neg hits!".
Do you ever tease women at all? Bust them? C+F? Or do you just ask them interview style questions about their life... like they're normal. Newsflash.. women like to feel special, not normal. "I feel so normal with you" is not a mindset that they have towards a partner.
Neg hits are just another way of teasing a girl like you would your little sister. It builds comfort and shows that you aren't supplicative.
You sound like you're too afraid to try anything that might sound different or that feels 'unsafe' to you.
Going up to a girl and asking her endless questions about what she's wearing and where she got it and why she likes it is hardly interesting. At some point you're going to have to express your interest in her as a MAN, and not a fashion critic.

Damn, you sure told him.

 

[legolas]

Well I think the boy has got it. You remined me of my very first cold approach. I was waiting fpr the bus and she was the only other person waiting there. Well being that it was my first time, I took quite while to work myself up to it but then opened with "Have you been waiting long?"

From then, I noticed she had books on her hand and asked her where she went to school (Assumption -> Explanation) We had some small talk, but once we got on the bus I stopped talking to her *sigh* She kept smiling at me everytime we had eye contact, sort of saying in her way "Come on talk to me"

Anyway, One on One, thanks alot for reminding me of this. I had forgotten about it. All I can say is this is the best tip on cold appraoches I've read in a while. I knew it instinctively but ad forgotten it.

 

[One on One]

Originally posted by wolfie
Girls meet plenty of people who talk to them like anyone else. Just because you talk to a girl like she's normal doesn't mean she'll be attracted to you at all. She gets treated like a normal person every day of her life. Only pathetic AFCs treat her as anything but normal... You need things to help you stand out. Also, you exaggerated your example of a 'neg hit' to the point of stupidity, whereupon it was no longer a neg hit. Cheesy lines? Pickup lines? None of these are pickup lines. They're just verbal frameworks that are meant to affect a person psychologically.

You think the girl is going to know what you're doing with a neg hit? Prove it. When have you ever teased a girl and had the girl go "Ha ha nice try, you're trying to attract me by using neg hits!".
Do you ever tease women at all? Bust them? C+F? Or do you just ask them interview style questions about their life... like they're normal. Newsflash.. women like to feel special, not normal. "I feel so normal with you" is not a mindset that they have towards a partner.
Neg hits are just another way of teasing a girl like you would your little sister. It builds comfort and shows that you aren't supplicative.
You sound like you're too afraid to try anything that might sound different or that feels 'unsafe' to you.
Going up to a girl and asking her endless questions about what she's wearing and where she got it and why she likes it is hardly interesting. At some point you're going to have to express your interest in her as a MAN, and not a fashion critic.

I tease women all the time! That is my game so much that I need to expand on my game! I have nothing against teasing and C+F...they are all proven to be ridiculously successful. My only point is that you should not open a girl up with "techniques." Comment on something normal and she'll be willing to talk to you. Say something abnormal to a girl when you first meet her and she's going to look at you like you're an idiot.

 

[wolfie]

Yes I totally agree with situational openers, in fact I do them all the time and have gotten good results. But I think stuff like negs still have their place. Also... opinion openers. These WORK. They're playful yet indirect, and grab attention. If you go up to a hot girl (note - thinks she's hot) with a cold situational opener or a comment on their clothing, they'll know what's up... they have guys hitting on them all the time and they'll think even less of you for trying to disguise your intentions behind '10 questions about clothes or directions'. A girl who thinks she's hot assumes all guys are trying to hit on her. Going in under the guise of normalcy and getting into a conversation where you will gradually up the comfort level in this case, doesn't work as well.
Opinion opening about say... your friend's jealous gf who burned his photos.. what should he do? is slightly more interesting and she won't be able to figure you out at first.

 

[thatluckyguy]

One on One
quote:
Originally posted by wolfie
"Your nose is too big" is not a Neg-Hit. It's a criticism or insult.
"Your nose is so cute.. it moves when u talk hahaha" is a neg hit. It is a backhanded compliment, or hitting on them in a negative, teasing way, a compliment with a negative edge to it. Other examples include "That's nice hair you have.. what colour is it normally?" (credit: Don John) as opposed to "Your hair looks dyed."
"Wow you're tall. Those heels send you right up there." as opposed to "Need high heels do you, shorty?"
See the difference? Neg hits bring her up and initially make her think you're supplicating, then slap her right down to your level. Ideally she will be so shocked that you dared to say such a thing to her that you look more alpha in her eyes, yet the compliment part of the neg-hit allows you to get away with criticising her because you're not being a jerk by insulting her, you just complimented her too!
Of course.. HBs being HBs (insecure, stuck up), the part about your statement she will pay most attention to is the negative part, yet she can't act bytchy about it without looking stupid because she will look anal and over sensitive. After all, you just complimented her. What kind of bytch would she look like if she reacted badly to that?


I was exaggerating on my example of a "neg-hit" to show how stupid they are. Your "neg-hits" are just as idiotic. My point is that you should talk to a girl just like you would anyone else. Be NORMAL and not some loser with cheesy lines. To think the girl doesn't know what you're doing with a "neg-hit" is asinine.

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One on One you have NO clue abt neg hits do you...
wolfie is SPOT ON !
with you buddy.

and One on One pls read the bible 100 times more and downgrade yourself to an AFC before you made those lame a$$ comments on wolfie's gems.

 

[THA REALNESS]

How is a Neg-hit a total compliment?

Your nose is cute it wiggles when you talk ...is a compliment my freind not a neg-hit.

Whatever man i'm opposed to that sh1t also .

 

[wolfie]

Originally posted by THA REALNESS
How is a Neg-hit a total compliment?

Your nose is cute it wiggles when you talk ...is a compliment my freind not a neg-hit.

Whatever man i'm opposed to that sh1t also .

neg hit is a criticism softened with a compliment beforehand. Pointing out that a chick's nose wiggles when she talks is supposed to make her self conscious about her appearance - girls get hung up on their appearance very easily.
If you think it's too complimentary.. turn up the criticism, say her nose wiggles strangely or something.. and that it makes her look like some kind of animal

 

[One on One]

I maintain that neg-hits are rarely, if ever, a good opener and should be used sparingly. The best opener, as I have tried to explain is a situational opener. If you really feel the need to bust a girl on the opener (which may be the case if she is really hot), then I'd suggest you go with the obviously non-insult insult. Here's an example of that: the other day I saw a girl on the train and she was reading a book called The Big Bad Wolf, which was like 400 pages and obviously adult material. You could crack on her like, "The Big Bad Wolf, huh? I see you're reading at a high level." Say that with a smile and that would be nice. A helluva lot better than, "I like how your nose wiggles when you talk." LOL.