What's up fellas? I'm new to the forum, and to the sosuave site as well. I've been reading the DJ Bible, the tips, and many of the articles etc. I've also been reading "The System" by Doc Love, and trying to put it all to use although somewhat slowly. Anyways, I've suffered from the horrid nice guy syndrome for many many years and it took buying "The System" to begin my evolution. This has happened fairly recently so my journey is it's beginning stages.
So...I recently began to put what I've learned to use with this nice little Latin honey at my work. I made some moves, got her laughing, was ****y and funny, got the number, and took her out. Everything was cool, but then I struck out on the "kiss close" and got the side of her head. I played it cool, smiled, and bounced. This post actually sprang from my own self inspection when I sat down and deicided to write out what I did wrong, and what I did right. I put it out as a list of Pros and Cons and Dos and Don'ts. So as I was working on it I thought it would be cool to put it on the board. These are all rookie mistakes from a recovering nice guy, but I thought that if anyone can see a similar situation and avoid my mistakes or make the right move then it's worth throwing it out there.
Pros:
~****y and funny (Jokes, Teasing, etc).
`joked, made her laugh alot.
~confident (I advise reading articles by Pook. Especially the ones on being a man etc.)
~challenge.
`waited 5-9 days before call.
`made a date directly.
`no calls or dates on weekend.
`not too much personal info (no life story, and avoided basic questions with humor).
~"told" her to give me the #, did not ask/supplicate (Be creative with this. I asked her how to spell her name, wrote it down followed by the # sign and told her to "fill this out for me." She giggled and handed out the digits.)
~eye contact.
~took it slow with patience.
~non expensive date.
~no gifts.
~went for the kiss close without hesitation.
~played it cool after strike out.
Cons:
~asked/supplicated for first date request, got nervous, put control in her hands (Doh!).
~let her ramble on and on about ex, and problems etc.
~called her day of turned down date request to make another date (Double Doh!).
~stayed on phone too long during 2nd phone convo, did not get off when I said I would, let her control situation and dictate,did not get off of phone first.
~did not look for other numbers, or dates.
~thought about/day dreamed about her too much(Hungry/Desperate guy was coming out).
Breakdown:
~Do not ask for/supplicate for a date request or a phone number if possible. Assume the "sale" is a done deal.
~Do not, not, not stay around for or allow too much talk about her ex, current boyfriend, or whatever the problem or issue may be. This easily leads to the "friend zone."
~Never call too soon or ask for another date after a date request is turned town. Wait!
~Do not ever stay on the phone too long and become a "girlfriend" that she can ramble on and on with. Get off of the damn phone! If you say you have to go, then do it no matter what. Do not allow her to keep you on the phone and assume control.
~Stop daydreaming about her, thinking about her, or imagining you and her in situations etc. This will lead to the "hungry/desperate" vibe that she will easily smell. This does not include focused visualization techniques.
~Do not make dates for the weekends or call on the weekends until it has been awhile.
~Do not only focus on her. Go out and get some other numbers, and dates.
~Do go at her with a confident attitude. One that assumes that she already likes you and that it's not a big deal for you to talk to her or be around her.
~Do make jokes, tease her, make fun of her, and make her laugh.
~Remain a challenge. Wait 5-9 days before the call, talk for a few minutes about whatever, crack some jokes, make the date directly, and get off of the phone. Let her feel that you're a great guy, and then bounce for awhile. Keep her wondering about you, and where you are etc.
~Do attempt the "kiss close." This is a great way to gauge her interest level, and to avoid wasting time. I know some will say it's ok to not get the kiss on the first date, and they may be right. Doc Love uses the "Bottom line factor" aka the "Reality factor". To me, the Bottom Line factor says that if a woman is interested then she'll kiss. If not then she needs to be placed on the shelf.
So there we have it. My little adventure complete with what worked and what did not work. So...we'll see what she does when I back way way off. Other than that it's forward on my journey towards other adventures. I'll keep you posted. Feel free to send me tips, ideas, thoughts, or to set me straight on anything.
So...I recently began to put what I've learned to use with this nice little Latin honey at my work. I made some moves, got her laughing, was ****y and funny, got the number, and took her out. Everything was cool, but then I struck out on the "kiss close" and got the side of her head. I played it cool, smiled, and bounced. This post actually sprang from my own self inspection when I sat down and deicided to write out what I did wrong, and what I did right. I put it out as a list of Pros and Cons and Dos and Don'ts. So as I was working on it I thought it would be cool to put it on the board. These are all rookie mistakes from a recovering nice guy, but I thought that if anyone can see a similar situation and avoid my mistakes or make the right move then it's worth throwing it out there.
Pros:
~****y and funny (Jokes, Teasing, etc).
`joked, made her laugh alot.
~confident (I advise reading articles by Pook. Especially the ones on being a man etc.)
~challenge.
`waited 5-9 days before call.
`made a date directly.
`no calls or dates on weekend.
`not too much personal info (no life story, and avoided basic questions with humor).
~"told" her to give me the #, did not ask/supplicate (Be creative with this. I asked her how to spell her name, wrote it down followed by the # sign and told her to "fill this out for me." She giggled and handed out the digits.)
~eye contact.
~took it slow with patience.
~non expensive date.
~no gifts.
~went for the kiss close without hesitation.
~played it cool after strike out.
Cons:
~asked/supplicated for first date request, got nervous, put control in her hands (Doh!).
~let her ramble on and on about ex, and problems etc.
~called her day of turned down date request to make another date (Double Doh!).
~stayed on phone too long during 2nd phone convo, did not get off when I said I would, let her control situation and dictate,did not get off of phone first.
~did not look for other numbers, or dates.
~thought about/day dreamed about her too much(Hungry/Desperate guy was coming out).
Breakdown:
~Do not ask for/supplicate for a date request or a phone number if possible. Assume the "sale" is a done deal.
~Do not, not, not stay around for or allow too much talk about her ex, current boyfriend, or whatever the problem or issue may be. This easily leads to the "friend zone."
~Never call too soon or ask for another date after a date request is turned town. Wait!
~Do not ever stay on the phone too long and become a "girlfriend" that she can ramble on and on with. Get off of the damn phone! If you say you have to go, then do it no matter what. Do not allow her to keep you on the phone and assume control.
~Stop daydreaming about her, thinking about her, or imagining you and her in situations etc. This will lead to the "hungry/desperate" vibe that she will easily smell. This does not include focused visualization techniques.
~Do not make dates for the weekends or call on the weekends until it has been awhile.
~Do not only focus on her. Go out and get some other numbers, and dates.
~Do go at her with a confident attitude. One that assumes that she already likes you and that it's not a big deal for you to talk to her or be around her.
~Do make jokes, tease her, make fun of her, and make her laugh.
~Remain a challenge. Wait 5-9 days before the call, talk for a few minutes about whatever, crack some jokes, make the date directly, and get off of the phone. Let her feel that you're a great guy, and then bounce for awhile. Keep her wondering about you, and where you are etc.
~Do attempt the "kiss close." This is a great way to gauge her interest level, and to avoid wasting time. I know some will say it's ok to not get the kiss on the first date, and they may be right. Doc Love uses the "Bottom line factor" aka the "Reality factor". To me, the Bottom Line factor says that if a woman is interested then she'll kiss. If not then she needs to be placed on the shelf.
So there we have it. My little adventure complete with what worked and what did not work. So...we'll see what she does when I back way way off. Other than that it's forward on my journey towards other adventures. I'll keep you posted. Feel free to send me tips, ideas, thoughts, or to set me straight on anything.