Progress Question

[Throttle]

Uh... You could try to starve yourself and lose weight. Yeah, I lost weight. Does that mean its doing things right? Does anyone know why TRUE low carb diets are bad? Wait... 100s have lost on them, so it must be ok. I mean if it works, then it must be the best thing. I sure hope low carb diets stay off this board. I dont hear much about them, but i'm waiting. Cause this topic has been put to rest, shame, and everything in between.

put to rest where? by who? read Gary Taubes' new book and get back to me on that one.

if by low carb diet, you mean follow the Atkins diet by buying lots of Atkins-branded nonsense, then yes, it's trash, and always was.

if by low carb, you mean eating lots of meat, eggs, fibrous veggies (in a salad or cooked in butter, yum!), and very limited quantities of anything that would spike your insulin, then not only is it a sensible plan, I'm convinced now that it's the only way someone insulin resistant is going to lose & keep off bodyfat long-run. and I believe most people over (let's say) 20% bf are insulin resistant, basically proportional to how far over 20% they go.

the problem is everyone wants blanket statements, silver bullets, and magic pills. dropping refined sugars & starches is about as close as your going to come, diet-wise. but that's only good enough for someone who's not already insulin resistant. others need to cut the carbs way back and add them in very slowly, and only when they're planning serious physical exertion immediately before and/or after.

 

[Throttle]

(oh, and, sorry to hijack your thread, Mr. R)

 

[mrRuckus]

I dont have a WHOLE deal for him so I cant analyze it. All I was referring too was low carbs. Some people do ok cause low carbs isn't really low carbs.

If you eat 500g per day and cut it to 250g, that's a 50% decrease, but not low. Some do the whole 12g per day and crap like that. More than likely he didn't do that, and I really dont know his definition of LOW CARB for himself.

Low carb for me would be about 200g.

I ate nothing but carbs from green vegetables on off days and 100g of carbs on workout days. I was never wanting for energy or felt drained during a workout.

I started the diet at 50g of carbs on off days and 100g on workout days and didn't lose any fat. If i lowered the fat instead of carbs it would've dipped my fat percentage below 40% of my calories a day.


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I'm actually being trained by iron addict for 6 months now and i've never actually said that on this board before because sometimes i just want to get other people's opinions on things rather than "just go ask him since you hired him." Some things he says actually conflict with what warboss alex says (though they're both usually saying the same things), but i respect both and often generally don't have an opinion either way. Heck, i'd actually rather eat 25 eggs a day like alex seems to be having people doing, but as long as i'm on with another trainer i'm gonna stick with the macros he lays out. It's working great so far.

One of the interesting things is that he keeps bumping up my training volume AND i lift 4 days a week doing each body part twice and my gains have actually accelerated, even though the common wisdom around here is "you're doing too many sets!" Meanwhile i'm doing 4 or 5 sets of some things and i'm even doing 8 sets of bench one day, 3x5 sets of db bench, 1 20 rep set of db bench, then decline bench and closegrips another day (not to even mention the barbell and db skullcrushers the same days...oops) and all these stagnant bench lifts for me are suddenly gaining 3-5 lbs EACH week for 4 weeks now where this week i'm starting a deload even though i feel i could continue the gains a couple more weeks so obviously this volume load isn't too much for me even though when he handed me the workout schedule i thought it would absolutely bury me. But the advantage of having a good, experienced trainer is him tailoring things to get optimum results out of you even if it sometimes goes against conventional wisdom or wouldn't work for a lot of other people.

I'm still only eating 200g of carbs on workout days and 150g on off days. I'm guessing this is still considered low carb?.. but when i was losing fat it WAS DEFINITELY low carb and i put on a lot of strength and my body weight stayed the same for a good long time while watching my caliper measurements shrink so i obviously put on muscle mass at the same time.

 

[EFFORT]

wait until he puts you on 10x10 :nervous:

 

[spesmilitis]

I ate nothing but carbs from green vegetables on off days and 100g of carbs on workout days. I was never wanting for energy or felt drained during a workout.

I started the diet at 50g of carbs on off days and 100g on workout days and didn't lose any fat. If i lowered the fat instead of carbs it would've dipped my fat percentage below 40% of my calories a day.


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I'm actually being trained by iron addict for 6 months now and i've never actually said that on this board before because sometimes i just want to get other people's opinions on things rather than "just go ask him since you hired him." Some things he says actually conflict with what warboss alex says (though they're both usually saying the same things), but i respect both and often generally don't have an opinion either way. Heck, i'd actually rather eat 25 eggs a day like alex seems to be having people doing, but as long as i'm on with another trainer i'm gonna stick with the macros he lays out. It's working great so far.

One of the interesting things is that he keeps bumping up my training volume AND i lift 4 days a week doing each body part twice and my gains have actually accelerated, even though the common wisdom around here is "you're doing too many sets!" Meanwhile i'm doing 4 or 5 sets of some things and i'm even doing 8 sets of bench one day, 3x5 sets of db bench, 1 20 rep set of db bench, then decline bench and closegrips another day (not to even mention the barbell and db skullcrushers the same days...oops) and all these stagnant bench lifts for me are suddenly gaining 3-5 lbs EACH week for 4 weeks now where this week i'm starting a deload even though i feel i could continue the gains a couple more weeks so obviously this volume load isn't too much for me even though when he handed me the workout schedule i thought it would absolutely bury me. But the advantage of having a good, experienced trainer is him tailoring things to get optimum results out of you even if it sometimes goes against conventional wisdom or wouldn't work for a lot of other people.

I'm still only eating 200g of carbs on workout days and 150g on off days. I'm guessing this is still considered low carb?.. but when i was losing fat it WAS DEFINITELY low carb and i put on a lot of strength and my body weight stayed the same for a good long time while watching my caliper measurements shrink so i obviously put on muscle mass at the same time.

Dam, I totally missed that.

Man, IA is like that guy in the matrix. He has such a good understanding of the rules that he can bend/break them at will.