"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Proberly the hardest approach i have ever done!

Tomatoes

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Hey guys and girls.


Was down my local a few nights ago and there was a girl who works there seeing her mate who also works there. She is a HB7. Anyways i didnt get chance to talk to her that night as she left soon after we arrived. We are quite friendly with the other girl behind the bar so i asked her who her mate was. Got some general info. Name, Age among other stuff. Anyways said i thought she was pretty fit and left it at that. We left soon after.


Last night me and my mate got down the pub quite late and the HB7 was there again at the bar. Got myself a drink then went to have a dabble on the gambler. (Normal routine for me when getting to pub).

Anyways the girl behind the bar's boyfriend came over and started saying how HB7 really likes me. He didnt do it in a sutle way. She could hear him saying it and seemed to be getting quite embarrased. He told me I should go over and "have a go".

I was already planning on an approach. This however made it extremely difficult as he had built it up so much and also attracted the attention of some of the other people in the pub. So now picture this....You have to go and approach a girl with a good 5-6 people who see you on a regular basis watching and listening to your every word....Talk about Pressure?

Anyway I tried to phase it all out. It was really fcuking hard. Like i say....hardest approach ever and I wasnt convinced it went amazing. It was obivous she DOES like me as I was getting IOIs all over. Problem was i couldnt relax and I couldnt get her to relax so it was all very tense and uncomfortable. (Everyone around watching...)

I basically just threw in some complete fluff talk as nerves were high. She had to go at 10. The Bf of the other girl had told me this when he said i "need to be snappy about it". She said "i will see you down here tomorrow."

I agreed but then remembered after she had gone i may not be down (I can be if i want but i have one or two other plans early on) so i gave my number to her mate and asked her to pass it on for me and say how i may not be down.

Next time i meet with her im going to try and make it more personal and go for an isolate so we can both relax. Im just hoping that the uncomfortable first bit there hasnt wained her intrest....i dont think it has and im fully confident in my ablity to close this one in the comming week or two.

Its a start but i do feel like i stalled abit.

Anyone else been threw a simlar experiance and how did you handle it?

After such an awkward start can anyone think of the next way to advance it?

Open to opinions....



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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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lol nice work,sounds like she's pretty into ya to get other people to do her work haha,ive been in a similar situation.. was sitting with a bunch of mates at the pub,and locked eye contact with a girl and she kept winking and waving etc,and he friends all guys kept staring at me,so i ended up being too awkward to make a move,atleast u went for yours,and she has your number so if all went ok she will try contact ya again,if not you'll prolly see her again and can isolate and do 1 on 1 convo,nothing was lost at all,you did well,depends whether u wanna risk letting her contact you or just be at the pub 2moro
 

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OK... here is how I would have played it.

Her mate's bf comes over and tells you she likes you and wants you to go over and talk to her. I would have said "well, tell her to come and say hello then!" the looked over and waived at her to come over. and YES, infront of everyone!

Remember, you are the man! you are not intimidated by the other guys there because you are getting mad IOI's from a HB and you are gonna give her the opportunity to talk to you. She would have definately come over as her friend's bf was there so she would have been comfortable.

Anyway... you delt with the situation in your own way, so lets talk about what might/should happen next.

Telling her friend that you may not be able to make it and asking her to pass your number on was VERY good! It shows that you are a busy guy and you are not gonna change your plans just because she said "meet me here again". If she is interested enough, she WILL call you.

Even if she doesn't because some retarded female mentality thing (as well all know female logic is totally f'ed up!) you will see her again. For sure!

Here is what you need to do next time you see her...

Be very comfortable with her and just be honest! TELL HER! TELL HER that the last time you talked was a little awkward and you kept it short and sweet because you didnt want her to feel uncomfortable. Don't tell her that you did it for you, because remember you are the ALPHA and you dont care what the other non-alphas around you think! Turn it around on her, because you are "considerate" and you "understand her feelings" and how she might have felt embarassed. :up:

That will help build comfort and isolation should be easy. Remember, she already likes you. you are the prize and next time, even suggest a change of venue. take her away from there for a quick bite to eat, or a walk where you can be alone.

Good work though. Let us know how you get on mate.
 

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Thanks for the tips guys. Didnt think of getting her to come over. That would have been a better show of power. I did leave my number and say i dont know if i can make if for the very reason you said....Im busy and shouldnt need to change my schedule. (Even if i can easily).

Totally agree on telling her that I could tell she felt awkward about it. I wont mention that i felt awkward too.

I could go down the pub tonight but i may delibratly not...just to see if she text/calls me...What you reckon?

The only other thing going threw my head is the fact that i dont know what to talk to her about.....We fluff talked last night about absoulte sh!t. However i dont want to just go straight into fluff talk again as i feel it might bring back the awkwardness of yesterday.

I may use Shezz's Micky Vs Donald convo starter just for some fun :D



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Tomatoes said:
I may use Shezz's Micky Vs Donald convo starter just for some fun :D
Good idea.

Once you have built the comfort, and you have isolated her, run the cube on her. Works every time! I swear by the cube!

Start off with...

"Hey, do you believe that you can ask someone some really simple questions, yet get to know a lot about them???"

then move into the cube....

Shortly after will come the kiss-close. No need for too much talk.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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