Pro-Hillary Media Bias

[yuppee]

care to explain why all the structural steel was immediately hauled off and smelted down?

 

[Tictac]

care to explain why all the structural steel was immediately hauled off and smelted down?

It wasn't. It was analyzed onsite and after being moved to Freshkills by dozens of government and private engineers working for the law enforcement agencies and insurance companies for over a year.

Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Tictac]

who says it would take 100's of workers, hmm? I"ve seen ONE man bring down a big old motel building, in 3 days. he drilled the holes, placed the charges, and made up the charges, all by himself. When you kick the bottom out of a structure, it collapses. Care to explain why building 7 fell the same way, WITHOUT being hit by any planes?

I'm guessing that was an empty hotel with your guy working in the open. WTC 1 and 2 were fully occupied buildings each over 400 meters tall with upwards of 20,000 people working in each tower every day. Drilling holes, placing charges and running wires to bring the towers down would be just as obvious as your guy at the hotel. How come nobody saw any of it or even any evidence of anything unusual going on prior to 9/11?

WTC 7 was damaged by the jet parts, jet fuel and falling building materials from WTC 2. It was on the same side as the jet crash into WTC 2 (north tower). If you know the neighborhood or at least knew it then, you'd know these things.

 

[dasein]

Cute charts by the way.

What we have is a union label BS artist (tipped his hand in the second chart that attempts a false correlation with union membership)... it's like they all call from the same playbook, spew out the same fabricated charts... as if they are saying anything. This works fine on their left of the intelligence bell curve voting blocs, not so well on everyone else.

The first two charts are unsourced, and we aren't told how they are plotted and the underlying numbers. For all we know, the first chart could reflect the entrance of women into the workplace part time, or who knows what. The second one I've seen before, always from union flaks. Utterly ignores the greatest tech boom in human history that began with personal microcomputers, cell phones and MS DOS. They don't want us to know that when people invent miracles that everyone wants, people get stinking rich, and this is GOOD. Also ignores the globalization of the undifferentiated, low skill labor market, something we've known was coming since the 70s. But sure, tech boom wealth concentration and declining global unskilled labor wages are all about... union membership.

Next chart is from the highly partisan CBPP, and what does it demonstrate? Nothing. Same with all the liegraphs and liestats they peddle, not designed to encourage discussion or to establish any actual facts, but to incite resentment in dumbasses. Yep, they are some cute charts all right. The gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-MSM Complex whose PR hacks in public unions are paid for by our tax dollars sure pound the same emptyheaded memes over and over, resentment, resentment, resentment, with little if any facts facts facts in context.

It is a pathology that fascinates me. They use the same charts and graphs on every forum I've ever seen this type, plopping them out into threads as if they are making a point or saying something, when what they are saying is "Look Ma, I can use google and cut paste partisan propaganda!"

 

[Asmodeus]

It amazes me how there are so many tin foil hat wearing people here that believe that a controlled demolition was needed to destroy the Twin Towers. The buildings were hit by planes carrying tons of jet fuel which burns at extremely high temperatures. Doing a controlled demolition on the building would be redundant as it got hit by a giant thermobaric fuel bomb. The arrogance of these people who believe they are expet structural engineers and that they know more about demolition than a man who worked as a demolition contractor... I want to laugh, but it is not even funny anymore.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Thanks for telling me what I know.

I have been in public finance, including US Treasury funding, CBO, GAO and Hill staffers consulting for over 30 years. I have consulted for both Democratic and Republican Administrations and Congresses. I know the politics and I know the numbers. Absolutely NOTHING in DC is what it appears to be and NOTHING is done for one purpose. Pre-funding is difficult for the PO. That is not why it was legislated. It was also necessary and passed by a bi-partisan Congress.

What is it you know besides your myopic biases?

Then I assume you're aware of the Federal government being monetary sovereign?

(Hint: The Post Office, and any Federal Government agency cannot ever be insolvent).

You don't know anything, pal.

 

[EyeBRollin]

give me a fvcking break. health care benefits by involving the worthless fvcking govt? HOW? what it does is cause the best medical engineers and practicioners to move to other countries.

we most certainly CAN charge enough for stamps to have the mail pay for itself. We need to quit giving junk mailers a free ride, is all we need to lean down the post office. that and quit giving the workers such a fat pension.

yeah, "adequately funded" public schools. what % is that? 1%, maybe?

So you have nothing to add but pouting and screaming the anti-government propaganda you see on corporate owned TV.

who says it would take 100's of workers, hmm? I"ve seen ONE man bring down a big old motel building, in 3 days. he drilled the holes, placed the charges, and made up the charges, all by himself. When you kick the bottom out of a structure, it collapses. Care to explain why building 7 fell the same way, WITHOUT being hit by any planes?

You just made my point for me, while clammoring for me to provide additional explanation for my prior explanation. No goal post fallacies.

Proud Libertarian!!

Oh please no.

What we have is a union label BS artist (tipped his hand in the second chart that attempts a false correlation with union membership)... it's like they all call from the same playbook, spew out the same fabricated charts... as if they are saying anything. This works fine on their left of the intelligence bell curve voting blocs, not so well on everyone else.

There is no false correlation between income and union membership. It's actually a direct correlation. Do you need help reading graphs.

The first two charts are unsourced, and we aren't told how they are plotted and the underlying numbers. For all we know, the first chart could reflect the entrance of women into the workplace part time, or who knows what.

The second one I've seen before, always from union flaks. Utterly ignores the greatest tech boom in human history that began with personal microcomputers, cell phones and MS DOS. They don't want us to know that when people invent miracles that everyone wants, people get stinking rich, and this is GOOD. Also ignores the globalization of the undifferentiated, low skill labor market, something we've known was coming since the 70s. But sure, tech boom wealth concentration and declining global unskilled labor wages are all about... union membership.

Next chart is from the highly partisan CBPP, and what does it demonstrate? Nothing. Same with all the liegraphs and liestats they peddle, not designed to encourage discussion or to establish any actual facts, but to incite resentment in dumbasses. Yep, they are some cute charts all right. The gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-MSM Complex whose PR hacks in public unions are paid for by our tax dollars sure pound the same emptyheaded memes over and over, resentment, resentment, resentment, with little if any facts facts facts in context.
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It is a pathology that fascinates me. They use the same charts and graphs on every forum I've ever seen this type, plopping them out into threads as if they are making a point or saying something, when what they are saying is "Look Ma, I can use google and cut paste partisan propaganda!"

Nothing to add but ad hominem attacks and feigning like you can't read and understand graphs. If you think the data is not factual, provide counter-evidence.

It amazes me how there are so many tin foil hat wearing people here that believe that a controlled demolition was needed to destroy the Twin Towers. The buildings were hit by planes carrying tons of jet fuel which burns at extremely high temperatures. Doing a controlled demolition on the building would be redundant as it got hit by a giant thermobaric fuel bomb. The arrogance of these people who believe they are expet structural engineers and that they know more about demolition than a man who worked as a demolition contractor... I want to laugh, but it is not even funny anymore.

It's funny that you believe the government and media when they've lied in your face about why we needed to go to war. The physics is settled on this. I trust physics more than the U.S. government. What external work was done on the structure in the time between the initial impact of the towers and the time it fell (over an hour elapsed time)?

(Hint: controlled demolition)

See, Law of Conservation of Energy.

 

[yuppee]

believe me, I don't believe the govt about ANYTHING and i want the surface navy sunk, the men disbanded. I want the army disbanded, all overseas bases torn down. I want the ICBM's taken apart, I want the Airforce disbanded. I want the marines on the border fence. The nuke missile subs, Marines and NG and Coast guard can defend us just fine. They constitute more of a threat to any enemy, by far, than Isreal's entire defense force and nukes, and nobody dares invaded Isreal. We could be saving a trillion $ a year we're now wasting on the Military. Between foreign aid, the wars, the dope war, and the illegals, we are wasting ANOTHER 2 trillion $ a year, too.

 

[yuppee]

you're fos. jet fuel has a very low burning temp, actually. Once again, building 7 collapsed the same way WITHOUT being hit by any planes. So stop being stupid, for once.

 

[Tictac]

Then I assume you're aware of the Federal government being monetary sovereign?

(Hint: The Post Office, and any Federal Government agency cannot ever be insolvent).

You don't know anything, pal.

I know that, without exception in world history, every sovereign that has abused its sovereignty and especially those that abuse their currency's global 'reserve currency' status has crashed into nothing.

If by 'insolvent' you mean a sovereign can print money with impunity uniting it's currency crashes, you are right.

Otherwise you are ignorant.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I know that, without exception in world history, every sovereign that has abused its sovereignty and especially those that abuse their currency's global 'reserve currency' status has crashed into nothing.

Nope, that's wrong.

Reserve currency has nothing to do with monetary sovereignty. Japan, China, Australia, Canada, the UK are all monetary sovereign, and can print to their hearts content. They are not "reserve currency."

If by 'insolvent' you mean a sovereign can print money with impunity uniting it's currency crashes, you are right.

Otherwise you are ignorant.

Currency crashes during political instability (war or famine). The Weimar Republic, through losing the war owed reparations as foreign debt. Greece is not monetary sovereign, which is why it is floundering yet the UK is fine.

 

[EyeBRollin]

we are wasting ANOTHER 2 trillion $ a year, too.

Another $2 trillion that we just print.

Funny how Republicans say we can't afford higher education, health care, infrastructure, or anything in the public sector, yet we can always afford more war.

 

[dasein]

There is no false correlation...

Unresponsive, and I'm pretty sure now from your posting style that you are a sock of a previously banned poster here. Hope the mods figure this out sooner rather than later.

 

[thatfeel]

Eyebrollin wrecking folks left and right in this thread. I don't agree with 9/11 conspiracy theories but it's hilarious to see pseudo-"subject matter experts" appeal to their own fallacious authority and then immediately shot down. I for one would hate to see the P.O. go because it's far more efficient than ups and fedex and a lot cheaper. Priority mail knocks the fvcking socks off of ups and fedex ground for less dosh while getting there faster.

 

[Tictac]

Reserve currency has nothing to do with monetary sovereignty. Japan, China, Australia, Canada, the UK are all monetary sovereign, and can print to their hearts content. They are not "reserve currency."

Well, I did say 'especially' which means not only are you innumerate, you are illiterate too.

Since you deflected to the 'monetary sovereign' track after getting your ass kicked on US public finance and delusional 9/11 Trutherism, you red herring to something else you can type words about but have no comprehension of.

Who was the IMF's first monetary emergency and in what year genius?

You are a silly, ignorant narcissist. I don't have the time and you don't have the skill to talk about anything involving numbers.

Go watch YouTube reruns of your Truther bullsh*t gibberish. Come back here and type about it making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Fortunately you are of no consequence. Thanks for providing some entertainment as you prance around proudly being ever wrong but never in doubt.

 

[thatfeel]

LOL at the socialists who have no logic left and resort to insults.

They really do think Governmemt is more efficient and somehow the solution to everything.

Well of course, when policies continuously get passed to defund public institutions so they no longer work tards like you are quick to point out how inefficient or underachieving the program is and argue to privatize it. It's literally business as usual in the United States.

 

[thatfeel]

Profitable institutions do not need public funding.

Damn, your idiocy is astounding.

How is that even an argument to what I just said? Nice straw man.

The irony of your post is that "profitable institutions" such as FedEx and UPS are trying to cripple USPS because they see it as a threat to their business. If they don't "need public funding" why lobby for crippling bills?

 

[Tictac]

Well of course, when policies continuously get passed to defund public institutions so they no longer work tards like you are quick to point out how inefficient or underachieving the program is and argue to privatize it. It's literally business as usual in the United States.

What public institution has been "de-funded"?

 

[thatfeel]

1. You did say "defund public institutions", thus there is no strawman.
2. Prove they are trying to cripple the USPS.
3. FedEx and UPS are still making a profit while the USPS struggles to break even at best and lose massive amounts of moneyat worst.

The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on you, but just to make this easy for you, the USPS loses money because they have to bankroll billions into pensions that haven't been born yet.

What is it with you guys and your profits? Profits are a basic picture of a company's viability. It's not enough to make the claim that they're better entities than the PO. FedEx and UPS do well because anti-government propaganda continues to run rampant and guess what that takes a toll on where the uneducated tend to take their business. Extrapolating efficiency from profits leads to all sorts of potential fallacies.

 

[Tictac]

What public institution has been "de-funded"?

Didn't think so.

Answer - Zero