principles that are absurd that still keep getting stated in the manosphere

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

1). Anything absolute…No dinner dates on the first date, girls only like xyz certain of male, all men act like this…Do y’all leave your fvcking house, all these absolute statements are easily debunked.

2). Sex is the gold standard for the highest interest- instead, we should be considering sex as mutual with high interest not the gold standard. You can easily have a girl with low interest in you still have sex with you. Low interest should be regarded as disrespect and etc not just low sex.

3). Expecting high interest from the start. The typical failed relationship I see is that a guy meets a girl with generally high interest and it decreases as the relationship goes on. We are told to drop women that do not think of us as a God within the first text message. Instead, we should start from medium interest and increase her level not go the other way around.

4). Spinning plates means free sex- This is complete bullshvt, you’re actually spending more time and money on women then men in relationships.

 

[EyeBRollin]

1). Anything absolute…No dinner dates on the first date, girls only like xyz certain of male, all men act like this…Do y’all leave your fvcking house, all these absolute statements are easily debunked.

The absolutes are generalizations based on probability. Nothing is ever 100% certain. You can get away with literally anything if her interest level is high enough. However, this doesn't mean it will stay that way nor does it mean it is sound practice for the next chick. On a balance of probabilities, dinner dates for the first meeting are a waste of money and do not generate the desired result.

2). Sex is the gold standard for the highest interest- instead, we should be considering sex as mutual with high interest not the gold standard. You can easily have a girl with low interest in you still have sex with you. Low interest should be regarded as disrespect and etc not just low sex.

Agree here. Sex has a lot to do with the individual girl and how much of a slvt she is. However, no "low interest" girl is going to give you sex. She has to at least be of moderate interest. If she has low interest, it an't going anywhere.

3). Expecting high interest from the start. The typical failed relationship I see is that a guy meets a girl with generally high interest and it decreases as the relationship goes on. We are told to drop women that do not think of us as a God within the first text message. Instead, we should start from medium interest and increase her level not go the other way around.

Bad advice. You want the highest possible initial interest out of her and have the game to keep it there. Medium interest is a waste of time long term. A girl who is lukewarm is recreation use only. Those are the bvtches that will cheat on you and disrespect you when you start fvcking up.

See, a girl's interest level determines the default amount of respect she will afford you. Would you rather a girl respect and admire you from the beginning or have to "earn" it from her? If you have to earn it from her, it is even easier to screw it up.

4). Spinning plates means free sex- This is complete bullshvt, you’re actually spending more time and money on women then men in relationships.

Yeah this is a myth. Spinning plates is more expensive in the short term than long term relationship. However, long term relationships become exponentially more expensive with time. There is a natural progression in modern mating and that eventually means any woman you date long enough will expect you to financially take care of them.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Next a girl after 3 dates if she still won't sleep with you.

 

[SW15]

No dinner dates on the first date,

On a balance of probabilities, dinner dates for the first meeting are a waste of money and do not generate the desired result.

First off, I thought the rule was no dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex. Yes, dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex are generally a waste of time and money.

Dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex are more likely to be successful if the date was arranged through social circle than through app swiping or a cold approach. I still wouldn't do it even with a social circle arranged dates. However, I have had so few social circle arranged dates in my life due to never having a good social circle.

4). Spinning plates means free sex- This is complete bullshvt, you’re actually spending more time and money on women then men in relationships.

Yeah this is a myth. Spinning plates is more expensive in the short term than long term relationship. However, long term relationships become exponentially more expensive with time. There is a natural progression in modern mating and that eventually means any woman you date long enough will expect you to financially take care of them.

Long term relationships get expensive over time. Buying the ring to put on her finger for the marriage is super expensive. Buying a house is expensive. Getting a pet together is expensive. Having children is expensive. The divorce settlement is expensive.

Medium term relationships are the sweet spot on cost. You get the benefits of regular sex, not having to constantly approach, fewer failed dates, and then you get out before the expensive parts of the relationship happen.

 

[Hal9000]

If you just wait til you're middle aged (or basically any age older than you are currently) you'll have your choice of women because all those hottie's who are ignoring you right now will have no SMV and you'll be beating hot younger women off of you with a stick because the wall is only a thing with women, or something.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

1). Anything absolute…No dinner dates on the first date, girls only like xyz certain of male, all men act like this…Do y’all leave your fvcking house, all these absolute statements are easily debunked.

2). Sex is the gold standard for the highest interest- instead, we should be considering sex as mutual with high interest not the gold standard. You can easily have a girl with low interest in you still have sex with you. Low interest should be regarded as disrespect and etc not just low sex.

3). Expecting high interest from the start. The typical failed relationship I see is that a guy meets a girl with generally high interest and it decreases as the relationship goes on. We are told to drop women that do not think of us as a God within the first text message. Instead, we should start from medium interest and increase her level not go the other way around.

4). Spinning plates means free sex- This is complete bullshvt, you’re actually spending more time and money on women then men in relationships.

I agree with #1 and its my biggest problem with the RP. Take it as a "light philosophy" rather than dogma/ideology. Andrew Tate in his podcast with F&F helped me de-RedPill myself somewhat, especially from Rollo. You have to trust yourself. Individual experience matters.

#2 I disagree with this. I remember two distinct relationships I had with women that were about 6 months and we had metric ****tons of sex but each had little respect for me (and may have been seeing other guys) - one of the girls I actually cut things off with b/c she wanted it to stay ultra casual and I could tell she had no real interest in me.

#3 I do agree with this that women who don't show high interest from the start are a waste of time.

#4 is also true. Spinning plates is expensive and time consuming as hell. I don't like it.

 

[Ladykiler]

Next a girl after 3 dates if she still won't sleep with you.

Uhhh I mean somebodies doing something wrong 3 dates and no ass you’re better than me

 

[devilkingx2]

1). Anything absolute…No dinner dates on the first date, girls only like xyz certain of male, all men act like this…Do y’all leave your fvcking house, all these absolute statements are easily debunked.

Agreed. But I think the purpose of most common absolutes is that the exceptions are limited and only in advanced or special cases.

For example, yes you can get laid after the third date, but how to cut your losses is an important thing most guys need to learn.

2). Sex is the gold standard for the highest interest- instead, we should be considering sex as mutual with high interest not the gold standard. You can easily have a girl with low interest in you still have sex with you. Low interest should be regarded as disrespect and etc not just low sex.

There's cases where you can have lots of good sex with a girl who doesn't care about you but that seems like a rare exception.

But even if it did happen, having frequent sex with a low interest girl sounds like a prostitute who gives you her services for free when she's not busy. That would be a great deal lol.

3). Expecting high interest from the start. The typical failed relationship I see is that a guy meets a girl with generally high interest and it decreases as the relationship goes on. We are told to drop women that do not think of us as a God within the first text message. Instead, we should start from medium interest and increase her level not go the other way around.

The justification I've heard is that it's harder to raise a girls interest significantly than it is to just find a girl who likes you to begin with.

But I agree that there should be more focus on effective techniques to raise and maintain interest.

4). Spinning plates means free sex- This is complete bullshvt, you’re actually spending more time and money on women then men in relationships.

Agreed. An actually good relationship is better than spinning plates because it's easier and cheaper. The problem is that getting an actually good relationship is harder than finding 3 side hoes.

 

[devilkingx2]

If you just wait til you're middle aged (or basically any age older than you are currently) you'll have your choice of women because all those hottie's who are ignoring you right now will have no SMV and you'll be beating hot younger women off of you with a stick because the wall is only a thing with women, or something.

I thought the implied caveat is that none of us redpill men will allow ourselves to turn into Homer Simpson.

Next a girl after 3 dates if she still won't sleep with you.

This is one of those things that depends on the girl. I wouldn't apply it to a virgin from church who is in medical school. I would apply it to the average girl and especially to slvtty or party girls

It's good advice for people who are new or have bad game since they're probably just getting slow motion friend zoned or used for free dinners.