sodbuster
Master Don Juan
Have to agree with BB
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
A bold and interesting statement considering the viewpoints usually held around here:backbreaker said:Spinning plates, should be a process to determine a who is LTR material, not a life style IMHO
zekko said:A bold and interesting statement considering the viewpoints usually held around here:
That the alpha male must spread his seed, that monogamy is completely unnatural and only exists because of feminine influenced culture, that the alpha male's greatest joy is sleeping around and marriage kills that, that marriage has no benefit for the man, etc.
It appears some guys will want to spin plates forever, but I agree it serves as a great filter for finding an LTR.
As I recently said, one reason I value monogamy is that I find the thought of screwing women who are also screwing other guys disgusting. And I don't believe that is a wholly unnatural impulse. It even fits into "survival of the fittest" since it limits the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, especially in the times before condoms were invented.
You're right of course, and YMMV. I did my share of plate spinning when I was younger. And I suppose not all guys are cut out for LTRs.Nutz said:It all depends on what your relationship goals are. Personally speaking I'm not a fan of LTRs, but I am a fan of loose serial monogamy. I get into a relationship, things get hot and heavy for a few weeks/months, and then it fizzles out. I understand this and accept it as my way of being. Spinning plates lets me have a steady rotation of women to cycle through, keeps me from overinvesting in one woman, and keeps my head clear. Every once in a while I get serious and all the times this has happened the relationship went to sh!t.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
]zekko said:You're right of course, and YMMV. I did my share of plate spinning when I was younger. And I suppose not all guys are cut out for LTRs.
Another reason I like LTRs is honestly, I hate dating (defining "dating" loosely here - don't say something like "You shouldn't date, you should hang out" - I'm putting all that stuff in the same bucket).
The multiple sexual partner thing is exciting, no doubt. But the dating is a pain in the @ss, it's just not all that enjoyable to me. And reading the exploits of the guys here who are still out in the field (and all the BS they run into) doesn't do anything to change my mind.
]Bible_Belt said:If you want to fvck the kate middletons of the world you will get married.
That's what every married man thinks. But more than half of them still get divorced.
I promise I am genuinely happy for you, and I hope your marriage continues to go well. But my point is that you have a biased perspective on the institution of marriage. Your life aside, more people still end up miserable than end up happy.
I know a lawyer who specializes in long, miserable divorces for wealthy men. He likens women to other depreciating assets like planes and boats and says, "If it flies, fvcks, or floats, then rent it, don't buy it." But of course the women of the world all know that this is the best advice for men, which is why women love getting married and thus press the issue.
I agree with what you said if you mean it towards one particular 'Kate Middleton' of the world, and if that's what's right for you at that time in your life, then there's nothing wrong with that at all. But there will always be younger, hotter 'Kates,' which is why most powerful married men will always have mistresses, divorces, or both. And they still run for president.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
which should actually be a thread upon itself in reality.scrouds said:kate middleton is not a 10, she's a 0. As in no self respecting man, let alone of royal lineage, should date let alone marry his brother's leftovers.
Where I grew up in a small town in AR, that's what the rednecks did. When it was 1 girl/2 guy complication like that (or vise versa), the one guy who got left for the other would get mad, and meet up in a parking lot to fight. Said redneck would never actually blame the girl.backbreaker said:which should actually be a thread upon itself in reality.
imagine if you had a brother that was in the NBA. you met this chick, smoking hot. smart, just IT. everything, had it all.
she dates you for a while, leaves you only for you to find out your ex and your BROTHER are now going at it. and they get married.
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I don't think i would ever talk to my brother again
Just so you know I don't disagree with everything you say, I actually can't find any fault here. Solid post.backbreaker said:]
I probably could have worded the post better honestly. i believe as a princple that plate spinning is not only okay it's essential, TO WEED OUT WOMAN INM THE DATING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FOUND THE ABSOUTE BEST OPTION..
There is some give and take.
I'm too pragmatic to think that the type of women I like to date/have sex with, are going to be 100% happy with not being married the rest of their lives. The only women who would be down for that, are women who don't have the ability for whatever the reason may be to not dictate terms. i.e leftovers.
At the same time, that does not mean that you should just marry a woman because it's the thing to do.
The best sceneio is to use the tools, reasoning and knowledge you have to create the best environment for you, from screening out women who aren't comparable to setting the proper frame in a relationship..
basically the thought that dammit I really don't want to get married, but being realistic, the type of women I like to date/see all will be married to me or someone, so if I am going to get married, the very least I can do is make sure it's a healthy mutually beneficial one that's under my terms.
To use another horse racing analogy, the guy who complains about the rules of marriage, to me is the same guy that complains about take out at the horse track (the percentage of money that the track gets per wager), and the fact that it is "too high" is the sole reason this guy can't make money. if only the rules were different i would make money.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
that's pretty much how I feel. my wife gets hit on often enough, I put myself in the guys shoes and say hell if i were in his position i would be doing the exat same thing. you can't hate or get mad at the guy.azanon said:Where I grew up in a small town in AR, that's what the rednecks did. When it was 1 girl/2 guy complication like that (or vise versa), the one guy who got left for the other would get mad, and meet up in a parking lot to fight. Said redneck would never actually blame the girl.
If it were me, I'd thank my brother for revealing the truth character or feelings of the girl. Who the he** even wants a chick that is just one step away from leaving you as soon as fame or money shows up? I'd also probably ask him how the sloppy seconds are, just to get a little fun out of it too.
Even today, I don't get mad if a dude hits on my wife (when I'm not with her). She's hot enough that I sort of expect it to happen. What I also expect is for her to turn them down, and if she doesn't, I'd blame her and only her 100%.
I disagree. Men should have standards and an idea of what they want in a relationship. In fact it's the core of qualification, and knowing what traits and characteristics you want in a woman should be what guides how you interact with women in terms of filtering the hookups from the LTRs. I wrote in detail about this here:backbreaker said:]you don't (or aren't supposed to) know what you want out of a relationship utnil you actually meet said girl and she shows you what she is able to provide.
Shouldn't the prince be the prize, not Kate Middleton?backbreaker said:so I'm' sitting here next to my wife who is laying down reading about her 2nd fav subject kate middleton lol. I am/got to thinking, the catch dynamic is so strong, a woman got the fvcking prince of england to marry him. She had him by the balls and he knew it, beucase there aren't very many Kate middleton's out there (while I get tired of hearing about her, she's about as close to a HB 10 as I think you will find in real life as far as the entire package).. and Prince William knew it. he knew there was 1. no one that was going to be an upgrade to her or even that many on her level and 2. that if she didn't marry her someonee else would with the quickness. and we aren'mt even talking about a normla ass wedding we are talking about a royal wedding lol, price William had 0% chance on that ****. she wasn't budging.
I'm not surprised that he didn't sign a prenup. He must have been 21 or so when he married her. A lot of guys still don't have their head on straight at that age....I know I certainly didn't.Espi said:Just to re-iterate my point about the female perception of divorcee entitlements, read this brief article about Kobe Bryant's recent marraige dissolution. His soon-to-be ex will reportedly "settle" for 75 million dollars--half of Kobe's worth (supposedly half--I think he has a lot more than that!).
And, for the record, Kobe didn't sign a pre-nup. I find it hard to believe that he didn;t at least mention to her, before the marraige, that he wanted her to sign a pre-nup--and I'll bet that she shrewdly talked him out of it. Kobe's not the brightest star in the universe, but I don't think he's dumb enough to at least not THINK about making her sign something.
You can dam sure bet that he'll make his next wife sign a pre-nup.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/readers/2011/12/kobe-bryant-vanessa-bryant-divorce-windfall.html
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.