Powerful Mystery

[Mortukai]

Ok, this is something that I noticed recently about mystery and how to really work it. The trick is to have a mystery that is both about you and her. Here's my example:

We all know that girls, in general, have no real idea of why they or their friends do the things that they do. For the most part, they are more clueless about themselves than about guys. A couple of weeks ago, I was talking to this chick who *I* LBJFed (she had really **** taste in music, and music is huge to me) and she mentioned something about how her friends have broken up with the guys, but still hang around them all the time and really want to be with them, despite the fact that these guys treated them like ****. And she compared this to herself, because she doesn't have any desire to be with her ex, who treated her really nice. As she was explaining this perplexity to me, I got this real "knowing" look on my face with a smug grin. She noticed and asked me what was on my mind, and I merely mentioned that it makes sense.

This hooked her. She tried to get me to tell her why it made sense, because she really had no idea why her friends would want to be with guys who treated them ****, while she didn't want to be with a guy who was nice to her. But I wouldn't tell her, instead I explained that I *can't* tell her, because she'd get all "I'm not like that!" and she wouldn't like it and blah blah blah she'd get all *****y and ****ty because I'd tell her something about herself that she wouldn't want to hear.

So she dropped it after a few minutes and the conversation continued.

Then, 5 days later, she started going on about how I pissed her off by not telling her the reason, going on about how I don't think she can handle it and blah blah blah. But she was behaving really interested in me and mentioned how she'd been thinking of me and what I'd said many times during the week (as good a sign as any of interest, espeically because she was thinking about me emotionally, regardless of what emotion it was). But I could see that she was loving trying to convince me to tell her. But I refused and again she dropped it, but over the course of the day I could see that her interest level was skyrocketing. She was smiling and flirting with me heaps, then I'd ignore her for a while, then when I paid attention to her again she was even more excited to be talking to me. You know, the usual DJ ****.

Then, that night, she kept messaging me and trying to get me to meet her on the other side of the city for drinks with her friends. I'm not stupid, I know she was trying to show me off to her friends and the wine seemed to be relaxing her inhibitions about being with me. But you know, I'm not all *that* interested in her, especially not to drive all the way over to the other side of the city, plus I had plans with some other friends. But the point is that her interest level has sky-rocketed again even after I LBJFed her a few weeks ago, and I'm positive it's got alot to do with me not telling her something she really wanted to know. It kept her thinking about me and why I wouldn't tell her. It placed me in a position of power because I knew something about her that not even she knew. I knew that she, like her friends and all girls, NEEDED to be dominated by a man; they needed an Alpha male, and they are only capable of seeing relationships between forms, not the forms themselves, so they can't see that a guy himself is a jerk and treats her bad, all they see is the relationship of power that exists between the guy and them and so they respond to this power relationship by wetting their panties. This created a powerful sense of mystery for her to tackle because my mind holds great secrets, and probably no small amount of challenge too because I refuse to tell her.

So yeah, that's my experience. I reckon if you can find some way to act as if you know something about them that they don't know, then refuse to tell them, this might do wonders in getting them to chase you. It's exaclty the same principle as DeAngelo's example of palm-reading, only applied at a much deeper level and with the added challenge of "why won't he tell me?" because you are acting as though if you told her she'd get upset and deny it and etc. It establishes power and mystery and challenge all in one. My suggestion is that even if you don't know something, fake it like you do, because even if you do, you must NEVER tell them the answer. Let them ask the question, let them chase you for the answer, NEVER give in and tell them or the whole thing becomes resolved and fades away. For that reason you can fake it and make it.

What do you guys reckon?

 

[tmpgstx]

Good interpretation and creating mystery .. but again .. think it boils down to insecure girls being privy to this. A secure and confident girl will not like being treated like sh!t. She may put up with if for awhile .. but later realizes it's immaturity etc.

It got her thinking about you, but what if you gave her the answer and she just stopped? It wasn't so much about you as a person then - as what was bugging her that she found interesting.

I think we all would like to know something about ourselves that someone else claims to know. It feeds our ego in a way.

 

[Mortukai]

think it boils down to insecure girls being privy to this

Is there any other type of girl?

A secure and confident girl will not like being treated like sh!t

Ok cool, let me know when you find such a girl. But let me know via PM cos otherwise there'll be 14 thousand DJs and DJ wannabes all over her like flies on sh!t.

Also I wasn't treating her like ****, if that's what you were implying. But if you were simply talking about this chick's friends and their ex's, then yeah, they did enjoy being treated like ****.

It got her thinking about you, but what if you gave her the answer and she just stopped?

How is this different to her finding out everything about you and dropping you like yesterday's newspaper? Except this has the advantage in that you can be mysterious about what you know about her, AND be mysterious about yourself at the same time.

Also if she finds the answer and stops paying attention to you, then what the fvck do you care? It's better than her ceasing to pay attention to you because she knows everything about you, because that's a very personal rejection, whereas this is keeping them at arms length but still attracting them.

And it's been my experience that girls tend to be very internally connected, whereas guys are internally segmented. Because of this and the irrational nature of emotions, if a girl feels some sort of desire to be with you for whatever reason, it will spread through their connected brains and be interpreted as a deeper attraction. The more little reasons she feels to be with you, the more they permeate her mind and emotions and develop her attraction to you. As ironic as it is, lots of superficial desire can create a very deep feeling of attraction in a girl. This is why true master DJs have so many skills in play at once, none of which on their own could really be said to deeply attract a girl if used in isolation. Why else would challenge and mystery and kino and neg-hits and all that work, if not by each adding a thin layer of desire to be with you.

It won't work on a secure and confident girl because those girls (fictitious as they may be) are like DJ guys: they refuse to allow anyone to control their attraction for another.

That's my take on it anyway. I'm still a newbie to this whole DJ scene, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I think we all would like to know something about ourselves that someone else claims to know. It feeds our ego in a way.

How is this different to anything about relationships? Girls get with guys because they have a prize to validate their beauty and social status, guys get with girls to validate their competence and worth as a male, in both cases it's about feeding our ego. Why do you think girl's like to find out that you were thinking of them? Or guys hate it when their girl cheats on him? It always comes down to ego.

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I guess I'm not seeing your distinction. This is just my experience and observations. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Well it's not the actual mystery that they dig,it's that dig when men are being men.

Mystery is no good if you start feeding her cheescake and taking her to the zoo once you finally fawked her.

Once you stop symping and putting women on a pedestal,they see you as a man.

They just don't know how to verbalize what they really want out of a man.I think they're afraid of what we might say or they're just afraid of admitting it to themselves.

They really want cavemen not metro's.You're just not gonna ever get them to admit that.

 

[PRMoon]

I think if you're exprienced in the lives of people you can alway find something about them that they don't know about themselves or recognize some aspect of their lives that they may not acknowledge. Everybody is somewhat intrigued by things that other people see in them, that's how psychiatrist make their money.

I find that mystery and intrigue will get you in the door more often then not but you can't keep it up forever. After a while the person you're pursing will have to see you for who you are. And it's at that time that you are judged.

 

[tmpgstx]

How is this different to her finding out everything about you and dropping you like yesterday's newspaper? Except this has the advantage in that you can be mysterious about what you know about her, AND be mysterious about yourself at the same time.

Also if she finds the answer and stops paying attention to you, then what the fvck do you care? It's better than her ceasing to pay attention to you because she knows everything about you, because that's a very personal rejection, whereas this is keeping them at arms length but still attracting them.

And it's been my experience that girls tend to be very internally connected, whereas guys are internally segmented. Because of this and the irrational nature of emotions, if a girl feels some sort of desire to be with you for whatever reason, it will spread through their connected brains and be interpreted as a deeper attraction. The more little reasons she feels to be with you, the more they permeate her mind and emotions and develop her attraction to you. As ironic as it is, lots of superficial desire can create a very deep feeling of attraction in a girl. This is why true master DJs have so many skills in play at once, none of which on their own could really be said to deeply attract a girl if used in isolation. Why else would challenge and mystery and kino and neg-hits and all that work, if not by each adding a thin layer of desire to be with you.

It won't work on a secure and confident girl because those girls (fictitious as they may be) are like DJ guys: they refuse to allow anyone to control their attraction for another.

That's my take on it anyway. I'm still a newbie to this whole DJ scene, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Some good points ..

Oh yeah .. those secure/stable 'healthy' ones are hard to find. Not too mention there's alot of damaged goods out there. I don't disagree that the 'little' things that get her thinking about you can rachet up the attraction a bit, but do believe there already has to be some natural attraction present.

Alot of these insecure girls will do anyone that's half decent looking and who says the word. They go round and round at the bar scene with player after player. It's a revolving door. It's not that your 'game' is really working, it's that she wants to get laid as bad as you.

Now for the girls who are selective, more secure and less superficial, game is lame to them. They view you as a 'player' and write you off because of it. So what works for one type, turns off the other.

Kino, neg-hitting, all that works for girls that want to be used and abused, no question about that. You can even use the lamest of lines and still pick up more than half of these types. Sure, they'll fall in love with you for a couple of months, but after that it's back to the races for them.