"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Post your best short story to tell during a pick up
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Francisco d'Anconia
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Give us an example of what you've come up with so far.
Right now the stories I'm telling are mostly Hollywood related (this stems though from what DeAngelo suggested). Personally I find opinion openers are pretty easy to open with. As of late I've been trying to talk about myself as little as possible but after reading the Mystery Method (excellent book by the way) I'm in the process of making some adjustments. Anyway here are some good ones.Francisco d'Anconia said:Give us an example of what you've come up with so far.
1. Deiese Richards/ Charlie Sheen/ Heather Locklear/ and that guy from Bon Jovi
2. Britneys husband cleans up his image (this is worth looking into.)
3. How 2 cast members from the Sopranos (Artie and one of the Bouncers at the Bada Bing) got arrested and James Gandolfi got hit by a Taxi while driving a scooter
4. Lindsy Lohans feud with the oil guy
5. Nick and Jessicas divorce
6. Cate Blanchett playing Bob Dylan in "I'm Not There"
7. Janet jacksons recent weight loss (throw in a little Kristy Alley and your good to go)
8. The actor that plays Vince in Entourage being disapointed that Ari becoming a more central aspect of the story.
I eventually get to that but right now I'm focusing on this one aspect of an approach. Plus it conveys to much intrest when you start asking your target questions about herself before you hook the rest of the group.KillaPetehog said:FUK THAT!
ASK ABOUT HER!!!!
THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO A WOMAN IS HERSELF.
ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HER
AND FUK THESE TACTICS!!!
Distant Light
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I use a few
Following that I use once in awhile (I never use them all in one set)
Blind Date from Hell (Time I met a blind date)
The lost cell phone (Funny)
My player cousin (Also DHV me, stems from Blind date from hell)
5 Minutes of fame (Short skit that me and some friends recorded)
Jerk off story (Funny as hell, its about a kid my cousin knows that jerked off and pulled a muscle lol it cracks them up all the time.)
Group Date (A time me and some friends picked up these girls and insta date to the movies, another funny story)
My stink breath (This sh!t was funny also)
The Dog Sh!t (Another funny story)
Like about 2 or 3 of them are usually just funny stories and once in awhile I would lie to make the start spike attraction. I've had people dieing over some of those stories.
Following that I use once in awhile (I never use them all in one set)
Blind Date from Hell (Time I met a blind date)
The lost cell phone (Funny)
My player cousin (Also DHV me, stems from Blind date from hell)
5 Minutes of fame (Short skit that me and some friends recorded)
Jerk off story (Funny as hell, its about a kid my cousin knows that jerked off and pulled a muscle lol it cracks them up all the time.)
Group Date (A time me and some friends picked up these girls and insta date to the movies, another funny story)
My stink breath (This sh!t was funny also)
The Dog Sh!t (Another funny story)
Like about 2 or 3 of them are usually just funny stories and once in awhile I would lie to make the start spike attraction. I've had people dieing over some of those stories.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Killapetehog, 1) You're a fvckin' retard
2) read MM, maybe you'll learn something
stop hatin' everyone. I use short stories all the time in my routines. MM says to do it, and they're correct. It gets the sets laughing.
My favorites are the revolving door story, and the handlebar mustache gay guy in pink story.
I'm not elaborating on these b/c i dont hear any of u posting your stories.
2) read MM, maybe you'll learn something
stop hatin' everyone. I use short stories all the time in my routines. MM says to do it, and they're correct. It gets the sets laughing.
My favorites are the revolving door story, and the handlebar mustache gay guy in pink story.
I'm not elaborating on these b/c i dont hear any of u posting your stories.
SKIP A1-3 AND GO STRAIGHT TO C1.KillaPetehog said:FUK THAT!
ASK ABOUT HER!!!!
THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO A WOMAN IS HERSELF.
ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HER
AND FUK THESE TACTICS!!!
Why not ask later?KillaPetehog said:Just go to the girl and say HI. And ask her questions REGARDING the things that are going around her...at that moment!
Go approach a cute girl in the middle of 4 of her friends and start 'ask[ing] her questions REGARDING the things that are going around her." See how fast you get shot down.
No.... ****? You don't think people work on delivery.A guy can recite those lines...but if he doesn't look like the part...his azz is out.
^^^^just be yourself.
Means.
Absolutely.
****ing.
Nothing.
Whatsoever.
Its not a pick up line. Its not even intended to seduce the girl.You think that by memorizing stories and lines you are going to get puzzy?
CHEESY PICKUP LINES DO NOT WORK.
Listen, you have no idea what the **** you are talking about and every comment you make is so hilariously off base that its just laughable. Every stupid complaint you've stated so far is addressed if you knew anything about MM, but you know nothing about pacing or timing. You don't just hit on a girl the first second you see her, and you misinterpret everything the OP said. Read MM then talk, because you're hating on something thats completely unrelated to Mystery Method, yet you focus it on MM.
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Wow. I'm still an AFC, so I don't know that much. But, I do notice that those list of people think differently and have different styles than most people here. I mean, Pook doesn't even have one single field report, but he's got the most enlightened information. Jariel never asks for pickup lines, because he's more advanced in the game. And I've never seen Metal Fortress and A-Unit depend on "tactics" as well. All these guys in this list know better. I mean, even when I read Backbreaker's posts, he doesn't focus on "tactics" either. It's true. None of these guys on this list focus on "tactics". They make thier own style. The best of the best don't focus on "tactics". Great point, Killa.Look at the best of this forum and look at the posts and threads that they make?
Does Shezz ask about short stories and bullshyt like this?
Jariel?
Docs?
Rollo?
Desdinova?
A-Unit?
Disciple?
Senor Fingers?
Pook?
Mission?
Backbreaker?
B-Lemond?
MindOverMatter?
BadAssCanadian?
Bonhomme?
Duke?
Marlimus?
Metal Fortress?
Le Parisien?
Bourne?
Ever wonder why they don't ask for these cheezy pickup lines?
NONE OF THEM DO THIS BULLSHYT?
EVER WONDER WHY?
They know it's just better to ASSUME ATTRACTION.
When you do these wack lines, you aren't ASSUMING ATTRACTION.
MVP, you can go and do your SHYT...but all these playas here will take that girl away from you! And do you wanna know why? Because tactics are for bytches. That's the difference between an amateur and a seasoned vet. The playa does his own shyt. He doesn't need canned lines.
Just be yourself and act like you know the girl and the girl knows you...
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Dude,everyone has got to start somewhere and its not eactly throwing yourself at someone by memorising a few back up points to fall back on if you get stuck for words,i see your point about not making suff up cos it flows more naturally and you can personallise it a bit more but no need to rant over it.
i myself am new to this and need every ounce of advice i can get and i use everything once and make it my own,and if it dont work i drop it,
the main thing is being comfortable with the person you are speaking with and not giving a **** what you say because it really doesnt matter as long as you are being the person you want to be!
show that person and if they dont like it f**K them
no big deal
doesnt make you pathetic for taking advice tho
i myself am new to this and need every ounce of advice i can get and i use everything once and make it my own,and if it dont work i drop it,
the main thing is being comfortable with the person you are speaking with and not giving a **** what you say because it really doesnt matter as long as you are being the person you want to be!
show that person and if they dont like it f**K them
no big deal
doesnt make you pathetic for taking advice tho
Chatting up a girl is a bit like being a comedian on a stage. U have your stories to tell that should be funny, interesting and shows her how you look at the world. Asking her questions is when she's losing interest or to increase her interest by involving her more (therefore at the start is normally good, warm her up/get her attention) - Then you can show her your wit when she answers.
Everyone needs a rap and I agree stories that aren't about you don't work as what's the point, you should be trying to sell yourself not some random person she doesn't know. Why would she give a damn about them. It's like Will from "Good Will Hunting" said - "It works better in the first person".
If you really want to learn how to chat up a girl, just read a book etc about stand-up comedy and make her laugh. When you talk about serious **** is much later down the road - hitting her with that early is such a turn off and a head melt. We all hate it when a girl hits us with that too.
I pulled this stunner, from a looks point of view way out of my league. My mate who is better looking was struck down in a flash and he actually had the balls to ask why she liked me. I know, what a ****. Anyway she said simply "He's funny" - if a girl says that your "in like flyn".
BTW - Don't listen to good looking guys about how to pull women. They have it soooo much easier, it's their looks that sell them and they can't teach you that.
Everyone needs a rap and I agree stories that aren't about you don't work as what's the point, you should be trying to sell yourself not some random person she doesn't know. Why would she give a damn about them. It's like Will from "Good Will Hunting" said - "It works better in the first person".
If you really want to learn how to chat up a girl, just read a book etc about stand-up comedy and make her laugh. When you talk about serious **** is much later down the road - hitting her with that early is such a turn off and a head melt. We all hate it when a girl hits us with that too.
I pulled this stunner, from a looks point of view way out of my league. My mate who is better looking was struck down in a flash and he actually had the balls to ask why she liked me. I know, what a ****. Anyway she said simply "He's funny" - if a girl says that your "in like flyn".
BTW - Don't listen to good looking guys about how to pull women. They have it soooo much easier, it's their looks that sell them and they can't teach you that.
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Don't talk about her and especially don't talk about celebrities.
Talk about YOU, the attention needs to be on YOU, relate to what she says about by a similar experiance YOU had, you need to show your personality, just talking about her will not do that.
The dynamic needs to be her talking to you, about you.
Think of a man as woman interacting with each other which is best:-
1.The man talking to the woman about jessica alba or whatever, who honestly would give a crap about that.
2.The man asking the woman about herself, where you from? what do you do? etc... (job interview style!)
3.The man telling the woman about himself and her being interested asking all sorts of questions and being very interrested in what he has to say
So write stories about YOURSELF if you need to but most people can think of them off the top of there head as they know themselves best. I'm pretty much against canned stories but i've heard that they can help you get used to interacting with people until you can relax enough to think more clearly with out them.
Talk about yourself, she won't know who YOU are otherwise and therefore will not really care.
Talk about YOU, the attention needs to be on YOU, relate to what she says about by a similar experiance YOU had, you need to show your personality, just talking about her will not do that.
The dynamic needs to be her talking to you, about you.
Think of a man as woman interacting with each other which is best:-
1.The man talking to the woman about jessica alba or whatever, who honestly would give a crap about that.
2.The man asking the woman about herself, where you from? what do you do? etc... (job interview style!)
3.The man telling the woman about himself and her being interested asking all sorts of questions and being very interrested in what he has to say
So write stories about YOURSELF if you need to but most people can think of them off the top of there head as they know themselves best. I'm pretty much against canned stories but i've heard that they can help you get used to interacting with people until you can relax enough to think more clearly with out them.
Talk about yourself, she won't know who YOU are otherwise and therefore will not really care.
KillaPetehog - I understand what you're saying and why but it's bollocks a pro as you would say is like that from experience.
You can get experience two ways.
1. Doing it live. Can be VERY painful.
2. Doing it in front of a mirror.
Now at the end of the day, you always have to do it live but jeez, preparation doesn't hurt either and gives you confidence.
It's also not that random a situation as you're the one in control of the situation even though most don't realise it. You're normally asking the questions, you're acting she's reacting. If you know how your going to drive the direction of the conversation then you can predict most of her responses.
Is this tricking her, no, because it will start to come naturally and you won't even realise your doing it.
Hell then you become a pro ;-)
That's the reason why guys are actually in a much stronger position. They get to choose the girl and get to determine the conversation. We don't know the power we have because we're blinded by ***** and we just want the girl to jump into bed with us.
BTW - I agree, Hi is the best opener. But that's easy to say, give me the next thing you say to her and then I'll be impressed, rather than some bull**** like you just start talking to her in friendly/charismatic/funny blah blah way - being generally non specific.
You can get experience two ways.
1. Doing it live. Can be VERY painful.
2. Doing it in front of a mirror.
Now at the end of the day, you always have to do it live but jeez, preparation doesn't hurt either and gives you confidence.
It's also not that random a situation as you're the one in control of the situation even though most don't realise it. You're normally asking the questions, you're acting she's reacting. If you know how your going to drive the direction of the conversation then you can predict most of her responses.
Is this tricking her, no, because it will start to come naturally and you won't even realise your doing it.
Hell then you become a pro ;-)
That's the reason why guys are actually in a much stronger position. They get to choose the girl and get to determine the conversation. We don't know the power we have because we're blinded by ***** and we just want the girl to jump into bed with us.
BTW - I agree, Hi is the best opener. But that's easy to say, give me the next thing you say to her and then I'll be impressed, rather than some bull**** like you just start talking to her in friendly/charismatic/funny blah blah way - being generally non specific.
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At the initial stage yes the most interesting thing to a woman is herself and if she still finds herself the most interesting at the end of the day she will be going home by herselfKillaPetehog said:FUK THAT!
ASK ABOUT HER!!!!
THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO A WOMAN IS HERSELF.
ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HER
AND FUK THESE TACTICS!!!
You need to come across as being.....actually you need to BE more interesting than her, conveying value about yourself so she will be interested.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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I hate to disagree with you killapetehog because I think you're one of the best posters around at the moment and I have no doubt you have good game.....KillaPetehog said:But isn't that irony?
When you talk too much about yourself....you lose.
You want to be a good listener and listen to what she is saying and then act upon what she has told you. There was a post about this that got 5 stars a while back.....
I keep the conversation focused on HER as much as possible. Letting HER take control of the conversation ensures she won't get bored, let's you learn more about HER, and keeps you from saying something stupid. You can't lose! Do NOT make the mistake of talking about YOURSELF in an effort to increase HER interest!! IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!!!Girls will talk forever about themselves and it actually makes things easy on YOU.
You want to be mysterious.
You don’t want to be a mute person! If she is persistent and wants your input, make sure you do it but try to revert the conversation back to HER. By not talking about yourself, you let your image speak for itself. And don’t forget, the less women know about you, the more women want to know about you. Be a man of mystery.
YOU DON'T need to base everything on stories and tactics!!!
The girl is telling YOU the things to talk about.
Now, YOU just work with what she's telling ya.
Now if that wasn't specific enough for you, send me a PM.
....but you need to talk about yourself more, i'm not condeming talking about her at all, obviously dont just talk 100% about yourself. You should be listening and relating similar experiences with one another.
IMO i think the most of the conversation threads in the DJ bible should be removed as they steared me in the wrong direction at the begining. No offence DJ bible fans, i'm a DJ Bible fan myself but as far as the conversation/building rapport posts go they actually ruined my game in the beginings.
When your with a close friend you don't just talk about the other person, your both sharing experiences on things, expressing opinions, funny stories thats happened to you that day, thats what building rapport is, not questioning them and just talking about them......
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Well.Wiesman44 said:Killapetehog, 1) You're a fvckin' retard
2) read MM, maybe you'll learn something
stop hatin' everyone. I use short stories all the time in my routines. MM says to do it, and they're correct. It gets the sets laughing.
My favorites are the revolving door story, and the handlebar mustache gay guy in pink story.
I'm not elaborating on these b/c i dont hear any of u posting your stories.
You go do that and then come back and give us your sob story.
Boooo Hoooo!! Waaaa. My story didn't work guys! Do you think it was stupid? Why don't you guys give me another story so I can memorize it and do the same **** again.
KillaPete. I agree with you completely.
Thank You.
Suckaazzclown
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Wiesman44 said:Killapetehog, 1) You're a fvckin' retard
2) read MM, maybe you'll learn something
Revolving door story?Wiesman44 said:stop hatin' everyone. I use short stories all the time in my routines. MM says to do it, and they're correct. It gets the sets laughing.
My favorites are the revolving door story, and the handlebar mustache gay guy in pink story.
I'm not elaborating on these b/c i dont hear any of u posting your stories.
handlebar mustache gay guy in pink story?
:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:
What a mark!
You ain't got GAME. you jus a bit.ch.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Fuking bit.ch ass. I never read Mystery Method and I'll still be pullin more hoez than yo punk ass. Fukin crumb. I think Killa's got a point. Mustache gay guy in pink story? HA HA HA HA HA. Man, you ain't got GAME. you don't need stories! what a clown.
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That is a very funny video.DJDamage said:
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.