"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Possible Friendzone - Recovery Tips

clobberingTime

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Last couple of weeks have been hanging round with a group of 3 girls with another guy mate occasionally, going on a few nights out together (sometimes with a large group, sometimes just 4 or 5 of us) or just hanging in the evening in a flat for a few hours. Definitely friended 2 of them but the one I like i've tried to be more flirty etc around when i'm with her and when i'm texting her. And we get flirty with each other a lot when been drinking getting touchy feely and have some sexual conversation. Not like that during the day but i don't know if that's just because I have a lot less confidence when I have not been drinking. With this flirting we haven't kissed and have gotten with other people during a night out. If its all of the girls together they will talk about specific guys being hot etc like normal friend zone behaviour. So I assume it is very likely that the girl i like also has friend zoned me completely? There's a party happening tonight so when the normal flirting begins like i assume it will would my best option be just to go in for a kiss or say something on the lines of "have i ever told you i find you very attaractive" first? I assume i could tell poretty quickly here if i'm completely in the friend zone or not. If i'm rejected here I assume its unrecoverable or is there something else i can do first to try and recover the situation? Thanks.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Pimp-sicle

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clobberingTime said:
i assume it will would my best option be just to go in for a kiss or say something on the lines of "have i ever told you i find you very attaractive" first?

Def DO NOT tell her that you find her very attractive as a safe-guard to see if she's open to hooking up with you.

Watch her non-verbal signs. If she is touching you, flirting, smiling and overall enjoying herself with you, then take that as a sign of interest and go in for the kiss.

If she feels anywhere close to what you feel she will be more than happy to play tonsil hockey with you.










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Pimp-sicle said:
Def DO NOT tell her that you find her very attractive as a safe-guard to see if she's open to hooking up with you.
Yeah I think saying things like that has been a common problem of mine.. I guess it's never good to say something like that?

Pimp-sicle said:
Watch her non-verbal signs. If she is touching you, flirting, smiling and overall enjoying herself with you, then take that as a sign of interest and go in for the kiss.
I've taken that kind of interest from her in the past as her just being a flirty friend and haven't wanted to act to ruin any friendship between her or any of her firends but i assume I really just need to go for it if it happens again tonight otherwise any interest level she may have will completely go.
 

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Just get wasted and have a go. Any unpleasantness can be explained away by the booze!
Better to have a go and know for sure than not and forever be wondering.
 
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