"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Pook's Relevation, my life, and Political Correctness

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I finished reading the first half of the Book of Pook two days ago. I actually got so excited reading it that I stayed up all night and fell asleep at 8 in the morning after getting drunk. I felt I had to drink after reading it, the feelings it aroused in me even went down even into my legs, and I got dizzy thinking about what he said. Often reading Pook made my jaw drop. Here is why.

Basically, what Pook is saying mirrors exactly my experience with women. I went out of full-on AFC mode two years ago: kicked my Oneitis to the curb, and decided, not yet knowing of SoSuave, to be like James Bond with women: not needy, not showing my needs, mysterious, player-like, making sex a priority. In the interval I dated or romantically interacted with 8 girls (a non-Don Juan is pathetically limited to his social circle and neighbors!).

About me: I'm 6'2, and either 'gorgeous' or 'unbelievably handsome' depending on which girlfriend you ask, minus the **** it means I'm probably an 8 or 8.5. I have an international (read: European) background and am bilingual, having lived in several countries. I studied a technical subject at university and have been pursuing a higher degree now for a while. I have no acne, am toned and in shape, and am somewhat Alpha in my personality (calm, relaxed, hard-nosed, a fighter). I learned to be a great listener from my mom, and have always been 'sensitive' in this way despite being something of a hard-ass in other ways. Its a glowing appraisal but most of it checks out, you'll find.

How could they not want this package? Especially, how could they not want it if I knew what their other choices were? After the initial romantic encounters I would tell the girls, never this directly, but each time more indirectly: "Look, I've got the package, I've just got the ****ing package. I'm willing to be kind to you and crush on you and treat you romantically, just give me some sex. YOU WILL NOT GET THIS GOOD A DEAL AGAIN."

No it wasn't quite that direct, or quite that arrogant, but it's basically what I said in not so many words. Some of the girls I was going for, I liked, but in terms of looks were UNDER my league by a bit. They still played games with me and threw me back. Comparing their other choices to me ... I thought WHAT THE FVCK IS GOING ON ON THIS FVCKING PLANET!?!??

Seriously, if looking good, travelling the world, being successful and being a good conversationalist doesnt help you bed women, what chance in hell do any of us have? Clearly there is some unknown factor X which is determining why these girls will sleep with scum but not with me. (As I said, I had lowered my standards post-Oneitis).

Well, I'm not saying Pook is perfect, or that Pook has a monopoly on Truth. But as I was reading him, I got a sense of why I failed. My pitch, my offer, would have worked if women thought like men do. If they fvcked on the basis of logical evaluation of their options, I would have gotten 90% of those I shot for. They do not.

My humble opinion is, you can't pitch game based on thinking about their thinking. First a bit of zen-self-overcoming in your thinking overall regarding Desire, an internalized strategy which doesnt require thought (i.e. dont answer stupid questions), and losing yourself joyfully in the moment while pursuing her with some tried techniques, must be, by process of elimination, the way to game.

My game was very psychological, very cerebral- but I wasnt talking about DNA to the girl, we were 'gelling' in primitive good time conversation about her life. I was always thinking about the next move, I never let up and enjoyed myself. I didnt create my world and casually invite her in, I built a trap and tried to lure her in. I wasn't spontaneous enough, they saw I was gaming in my mind, and everything tightened up. The attraction was there, as I confirmed from multiple sources, but my game wasnt opening their floodgates.

After reading Pook, I feel like the whole world lied to me when I was growing up. I feel really betrayed– granted, a Don Juan always bounces back, so I am not bitter. But this PC-Feminism-Romanticism stuff is really the sh1ttiest kind of lying I ever heard. Not only has it wasted about 8 years of my romantic life, during which the whole time I was approaching them as if they thought like men, but it totally warped my view of women and made them inexplicable chaemeras and beast-angels. Angels because the world told me they alone were pure and I was dirty, beasts because they fvcked any homeless person who could look them in the eyes and present an Alpha game.

If all I have to do is initiate some kind of primeval psychological 'handshake' utilizing my lower brain centers, with spontaneity, happiness and subtle projection-of-interest, then just tell me that she is a fvcking animal who follows her feelings without heed of logic. If she bows to the Alpha against all reason (following the logic of evolutionary biology?), just tell me to be an Alpha. No, instead of that we get Sonnets, love-ballads, declarations of eternal love, dialogues on purity, on the involatility of women. Every assertion that women cant think logically is shot down with an emotionally charged newspaper editorial despite the fact that Math and Physics departments are lean on the females, especially on the feminine ones.
My sister wastes 2 years of her life hanging on a jerk, and nobody dare tell me the straight dope that THIS IS HOW WOMEN ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

If I could tell society one thing it would be this: STOP FVCKING LYING TO US. Stop asking women about their opinions, about what they think of the world, about how we should view them. They're too close to themselves to see themselves clearly. Evolution has denied 95% of them any claim on objectivity of thought, though they still feel entitled to parade its forms as if they had it, and accidental historical developments have ensnared us in subservience to an over-thought, overwrought erroneous theory (Feminism, PC).

The older ones gain some logic by virtue of trial and error, and the 'good' ones are influenced by male relatives and male religion/rules which keeps them in line. In the meantime, the Hobos are ****ing them all throughout their 20s.

I will never, ever again listen to a woman's arguments about these issues, or trouble myself ONE IOTA to get inside a woman's head. Sorry, been there, heard that analysis. I put tremendous brainpower into solving your riddles and realized now that there is no riddle, or that it cant be solved with the evolved thinking of the forebrain which is man's specialty. They simply cannot be objective, and I spent 8 years chasing my tail because I took what they said about themselves at face value. I believed they could offer an objective assessment, I believed they thought like us. "Now I am finally going to hear some TRUTH!" I naively thought when a woman talked about relationships. I read those f-ing books and columns, I listened to that f-ing advice, and I thought about it all. VERY DEEPLY. FOR MANY YEARS.

They are at the mercy of a number of contradictory goals and evolutionary imperatives, and an emotive way of thinking which just cannot converse with ours except in the babbling-lovey-dovey way that actually is love.
You either present them with a polished 21st-century Alpha game that is sublimated according to Pook or you're going on Oprah and LJBFing.

Mysogynistic? Against woman? Is that the tone you think you detect? Well, perhaps you don't understand the concept of blowback. Push a man to far in one direction against his nature, i.e. make him worship women, and the pendulum swings back in the other direction. The whole chorus of polite liars on this subject, covering up woman's dirty little secret, while letting us worship her and put her on pedestals, makes me sick.

Thanks for listening to my rant, brothers, I wish all of you well in your endeavors.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Great post. Exactly how I was feeling about this whole AFC thing when I first got into this whole weird mess. One thing I need to tell you, though...

...instead of that we get Sonnets, love-ballads, declarations of eternal love, dialogues on purity, on the involatility of women
Here's the thing. Women don't think rationally, they just tell you what makes them feel good. Since women don't think rationally, what they say at face value tends to be bullsh*t because they're thinking through their emotions, which tend to guide them in the right direction but fail to grasp the most important thing about a potential mate... masculinity.

Women drop their panties for rock-stars with stupid love ballads, we all know that. The rock star is alpha and he's singing a love ballad that makes them feel all fuzzy inside, of course he's going to get some action!

The only poets who get p*ssy are rockstars and Tupac Shakur.
 

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This was one of the most interesting posts I've ever read here.
 

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Good post buddy but you took it too far with the "hobos" and homeless guys lol. So what conclusion have you come to: how does an alpha male approach girls?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The joke is on us.

The Deacon said:
The only poets who get p*ssy are rockstars and Tupac Shakur.
Agreed. And imitating them, we (fools) write poetry. Yes I did this, you probably too. Women are not going out with these men because they write poetry, but because of the reason you indicate above. They also like Firemen... lets see... poets and firemen?.... common denominator would be? Reasoning indicates that there can be no common denominator except the one mentioned above.
 

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Tech, don't beat yourself up about this.
Remember something, Romance is Man made.
That is, the concept of Romanticsm came from Men.

Also, Romance, poems, gifts, and the like are all attemtps at 'peacocking'.
However, they are misunderstood. And they begain to take the place of simply being present, attractive, and interacting naturally without pretenses.
In addition, Men created the Ideal of Women being pure, saintly, and angelic.
There are a few reasons why.
But in the end, it is our own fault, that we took it too far. And it eventually blinded us,and one of the bad things is a lot of us BLAMED it on WOMEN.


Also, I think one of the mian points we as Men MUST recognize is that we must kill the NEEDINESS, the SEEKING of VALIDATION, and DESPERATION.
 

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The Deacon said:
Women drop their panties for rock-stars with stupid love ballads, we all know that. The rock star is alpha and he's singing a love ballad that makes them feel all fuzzy inside, of course he's going to get some action!

The only poets who get p*ssy are rockstars and Tupac Shakur.
I think the main thing anybody likes about rockstars (besides their music) is the fact that they do whatever the FvCK they want, whenever the FvCK they want. Society says drugs are bad? Shoot a bunch of heroin and trash a hotel room. No sex before marriage? Bang 20 chicks at once backstage before a show. Go on stage naked. Set things on fire. Write a song about your ****. Break sh!t.

Damn, now I remember why I started playing guitar... :rockon:
 

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LostAndConfused said:
There are a bunch of other people who do whatever the fvck they want and don't get any female attention at all.
Probably because they lack sexuality, maybe lack Masculinity, and perhaps socially maladjusted, don't know how to initiate comversation or keep it interesting. There's a lot of factors.

Ultimately, there's somethign non sexual, and unattractive about them then.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I kinda want to here what you guys think about alpha male / masculinity...
For me i think its looking like a man, talking, walking, sounding like a man... being decisive, aggressive, and not letting people f*ck with me, see maybe I got it wrong so please explain. Because that definition describes me pretty well but perhaps I'm not understanding something i dont know
 

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DJVladdy said:
I kinda want to here what you guys think about alpha male / masculinity...
For me i think its looking like a man, talking, walking, sounding like a man... being decisive, aggressive, and not letting people f*ck with me, see maybe I got it wrong so please explain. Because that definition describes me pretty well but perhaps I'm not understanding something i dont know
being aggressive is not an Alpha male trait , being calm and assertive is an important Alpha male trait, nice guys or bet males are passive-aggressive they are passive then when they see they are not getting what they want they get aggressive!
 

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Disagree

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being aggressive is not an Alpha male trait , being calm and assertive is an important Alpha male trait, nice guys or bet males are passive-aggressive they are passive then when they see they are not getting what they want they get aggressive!
I disagree, Rash. Aggression is a trait exhibited by Alpha males while they struggle for position in dominance hierarchies. Calmness and coolness is a trait of an Alpha male assured of his position in a dominance hierarchy. Typically, the Alpha male is aggressive in youth, attains a position in the dominance hierarchy, and then is comfortable in the knowledge of his strength and superior position, so becomes calm.

An old man who is aggressive does not appear Alpha, a young male who is not aggressive, in some sense probably is not Alpha. It is all theoretical, but testosterone correlates with tendencies to violence and rowdiness, and is produced most in youth, IFRC.
 

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Nioce guys are too afraid to be aggressive. And do not handle aggressiveness well. They would rather submit and avoid confrontation.

What a masculine man must be is always assertive, and he must be able to be aggressive when the need arises.

A masculine man can be assertive when HANDLING an Aggressive person or situation.

But he knows enough to not be Aggressive when all it takes is just assertivenss.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Technical, I like your analysis of aggressive behavior.

I'd suggest not rushing through the Book of Pook, though. Read it deliberately and take it to heart.
 

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Obsidian said:
Technical, I like your analysis of aggressive behavior.

I'd suggest not rushing through the Book of Pook, though. Read it deliberately and take it to heart.
Thanks for the advice, Obs.

I'm saving the second half for a few weeks from now, and I took about 3 pages of notes, some of which I am thinking of turning into affirmations.
I also plan to reread it, possibly several times.

Your point is taken though, one cannot burn this stuff into one's brain deeply enough sometimes. I hope to keep coming back to it over the next year until I have really internalized it. This book was really, really, really the message I needed to hear. I still need to learn alot before I can hear all of it though. Its a bit like waking up to find you live in a different world than the one you actually thought you inhabited.
 

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"I put tremendous brainpower into solving your riddles and realized now that there is no riddle"

This is exactly what Esther Vilar says in her book The Manipulated Man.

Great post dude.

And please buy the book The Manipulated Man when you get the time as Pook recommends it and I have it and I'd say its every bit as eye opening and helpful if not moreso than all the information on this site.
 

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You should check out Pook's blog. I don't have the direct link on me right now but I think the title is "Pook's Mill" at blogspot. Just type it in google and it will come up.

Pook's stuff is gold. Remember, gender equality is fine but overwhelming number of feminists are on a crusade to make men second class citizens. Most women follow emotion over logic, and these feminists go overboard with using emotions in their propoganda. Conversely, young men seeking for female attention will subconsciously jump on the feminist bandwagon. Safe to assume that most of us here have jumped on that bandwagon at one point in your lives. But..

...oh how free does it to feel to jump off that bandwagon!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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