KontrollerX
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Oct 11, 2005
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"Leykis is cynical at best. Pook is trying to inspire people whereas Leykis is trying to knock some sense in them. I dont believe that one approach is better then the other I just believe that some approaches suit certain people more then others.
They both push for change, the difference is that Leykis does it from a point of resentment. Pook does it from a point of self realisation. People are going to respond differently to each approach.
There is no reason why a person could not benefit from both!"
Its highly presumptuous for you to assume Leykis gives the advice that he does from a point of resentment.
He has actually explained why he gives the advice that he does in great detail.
1. He loves his job.
2. He is just telling other men the pattern of behavior he has seen in women during his life and not only in his life but the lives of his friends and the men that call into his show so not a point of resentment a point of FACT.
3. He has a passion to help young men avoid the mistakes he made during his life.
Thats not at all giving advice from a place of resentment but rather giving advice from a place of caring and deep desire to be philanthropic.
Sure he makes tons of money doing what he does you could say and thats the only reason he does it but I would reply to you that he's made enough money to retire and never work again a day in his life but he loves helping people so much he continues on.
While Pook in his own words on this site has said he doesn't care about anyone on the site not mods, admins or posters and only posted up topics that he wrote for himself to help himself out, he only posted them out of curiosity to see if they would help anyone else.
Pook wasn't out to inspire anyone, he was out to inspire himself.
Leykis is out to inspire you, help you and whatever else his advice can do that is good in people's lives.
To me thats overall more worthy of inspiration ON A GENUINE LEVEL than what Pook did here.
"Again, making Leykis the be all and end all."
You wouldn't happen to work for the Mccain campaign would you?
You sure like to twist stuff.
I never said Tom was the be all end all just that "you really don't need to listen to anyone else once you've heard the Tom Leykis show" as really the guy is always onto the current trends in just about everything from the pick up life to the best wines to drink. Damn near everything!
"Maybe Leykis message is one that a lot of people cant agree with?"
A great point about Leykis's show is that he is presenting a viewpoint to a lot of men that is perfectly logical and a valid way to live one's life that most have never considered valid before the societal programming in them was so strong with its you better create a marriage and family for yourself or you are worthless and not doing what you should be doing with your life.
Tom is a valueable counter point to that brainwashing.
Of course you don't see that because you've been here for a while and learned things and take for granted the fact that many men out there are not aware of resources like Sosuave or the Tom Leykis show that provides alternative information on ways that a man can live his life.
"The knob has been divorced 4 times. No wonder he is anti marriage. Not everyone wants to **** and chuck women until the day they die."
No surprise you use some feminist shaming tactics against this guy you can't stand. And no surprise your attacks are absolutely absurd not to mention unfair to Leykis. After all I don't see you giving him props for trying to make marriage work 4 times but rather as typical of weak males like yourself you unconsciously fall in lock step with the feminist shaming and subtley make it his fault his marriages failed. Oh no with people like you it could never possibly be that perhaps the institution of marriage is flawed, that thought never crosses your mind nor do you ever wonder if maybe the couples that stay together just tolerate eachother's bad qualities out of complacency and their unwillingness to go out there in the cruel world and hunt for someone else like Mr. Leykis does when he needs to. You should be praising Tom for his faith in women to try marriage not once, not twice, not three times, but four times before declaring it to be worthless and completely non beneficial to a man.
Oh yeah and not everyone wants your white picket fence wake up to the same woman every day for the rest of your life until you are both wrinkled old prunes lifestyle either. Teaching men that they can and should avoid the marriage trap is a valueable service by Mr. Leykis.
"Pooks stuff is different and I dont understand why you have this need to draw a comparison. Pook was pushing personal development more then anything else. Leykis is handing out advice. Is the advice he offers poor? Not at all. The difference is that if people where in the right frame initially they would not be there in the first place."
WTF? If people were in the right frame they wouldn't need Leykis or Pook.
This part you wrote makes no sense.
And Pook's stuff is only different in the sense its watered down Leykis, Shakespeare, The Bible, Nietchze wrapped in a sugar sweet diabetic coma producing overly optimistic package.
The difference between the two men is one largely plagiarized his material while the other you know the guy on the radio? He is a complete self made man.
"The bottom line here is that someone took something out of Pooks contributions and felt a sense of improvement because of it. That is a good thing regardless of who the message came from. Everything else is irrelevant."
The bottom line is you pimp the guy you worship and I'll pimp the guy I respect and we'll stay in our own corners with it and there will be peace. Thats really all that needed to be said but of course you just had to call me out because you don't know how to use the ignore feature and you are probably one of the weak males who just can't get into Tom's style. Pie in the sky optimism is what gets your heart beating and more power to you for that. I'll take realism and a solid delivery over that any day thanks.
"Dude, its an online forum. Not a way of life."
Actually DJing is a way of life.
"How the hell you can you have an emotional attachment this deep? You feel betrayed? Is this whole thing about trying to get back at a member that has moved on?"
You really are a dumb fvck you know that?
These are Mccain campaign tactics you are using.
You twist your own issue around to apply to me.
The point with what I wrote was showing how its you and the rest of the Pook worshippers that have the emotional attachment to him like he is some sort of messiah and that his pie in the sky overly optimistic style should rule this forum's discussion style for now and forever and I say fvck that, I say you kids need to get over your emotional attachment to this guy because he does not care at all about you and has made that clear with his own posts here. Just go read until you find those posts and you'll see I'm not lying about him or making sh!t up. He said he doesn't care about a single person here other than himself and never did.
"Grow up man."
Shut the fvck up symp.
"For all the advice Leykis has given you on how to be a man it seems as if basic character is something he rarely touches. Are you that petty?"
You are another dipsh!t going against the progress of time.
Just accept that your little buddy Pook moved on and the forum is gradually accepting a new message.
Its the year 2008.
Its time to get over your hero being gone, he's been gone for years and he isn't coming back.
Accept the new way the forum operates or take your ass to loveshack with the rest of the symp cretins that view life the same pussified way that you do.
"The promotional work you are doing for him needs to be saved for the right time and the right threads."
Learn to use the ignore button and work on yourself until you are no longer an assh0le.
The right time to speak about Tom Leykis is whenever I decide its the right time to speak about Tom Leykis.
Its like if you got horny for your dog and wanted to go lick its testicles I wouldn't try and stop you from doing that.
I might be disgusted by it but its your life and your choice.
So give me the same courtesy and fvck off.
They both push for change, the difference is that Leykis does it from a point of resentment. Pook does it from a point of self realisation. People are going to respond differently to each approach.
There is no reason why a person could not benefit from both!"
Its highly presumptuous for you to assume Leykis gives the advice that he does from a point of resentment.
He has actually explained why he gives the advice that he does in great detail.
1. He loves his job.
2. He is just telling other men the pattern of behavior he has seen in women during his life and not only in his life but the lives of his friends and the men that call into his show so not a point of resentment a point of FACT.
3. He has a passion to help young men avoid the mistakes he made during his life.
Thats not at all giving advice from a place of resentment but rather giving advice from a place of caring and deep desire to be philanthropic.
Sure he makes tons of money doing what he does you could say and thats the only reason he does it but I would reply to you that he's made enough money to retire and never work again a day in his life but he loves helping people so much he continues on.
While Pook in his own words on this site has said he doesn't care about anyone on the site not mods, admins or posters and only posted up topics that he wrote for himself to help himself out, he only posted them out of curiosity to see if they would help anyone else.
Pook wasn't out to inspire anyone, he was out to inspire himself.
Leykis is out to inspire you, help you and whatever else his advice can do that is good in people's lives.
To me thats overall more worthy of inspiration ON A GENUINE LEVEL than what Pook did here.
"Again, making Leykis the be all and end all."
You wouldn't happen to work for the Mccain campaign would you?
You sure like to twist stuff.
I never said Tom was the be all end all just that "you really don't need to listen to anyone else once you've heard the Tom Leykis show" as really the guy is always onto the current trends in just about everything from the pick up life to the best wines to drink. Damn near everything!
"Maybe Leykis message is one that a lot of people cant agree with?"
A great point about Leykis's show is that he is presenting a viewpoint to a lot of men that is perfectly logical and a valid way to live one's life that most have never considered valid before the societal programming in them was so strong with its you better create a marriage and family for yourself or you are worthless and not doing what you should be doing with your life.
Tom is a valueable counter point to that brainwashing.
Of course you don't see that because you've been here for a while and learned things and take for granted the fact that many men out there are not aware of resources like Sosuave or the Tom Leykis show that provides alternative information on ways that a man can live his life.
"The knob has been divorced 4 times. No wonder he is anti marriage. Not everyone wants to **** and chuck women until the day they die."
No surprise you use some feminist shaming tactics against this guy you can't stand. And no surprise your attacks are absolutely absurd not to mention unfair to Leykis. After all I don't see you giving him props for trying to make marriage work 4 times but rather as typical of weak males like yourself you unconsciously fall in lock step with the feminist shaming and subtley make it his fault his marriages failed. Oh no with people like you it could never possibly be that perhaps the institution of marriage is flawed, that thought never crosses your mind nor do you ever wonder if maybe the couples that stay together just tolerate eachother's bad qualities out of complacency and their unwillingness to go out there in the cruel world and hunt for someone else like Mr. Leykis does when he needs to. You should be praising Tom for his faith in women to try marriage not once, not twice, not three times, but four times before declaring it to be worthless and completely non beneficial to a man.
Oh yeah and not everyone wants your white picket fence wake up to the same woman every day for the rest of your life until you are both wrinkled old prunes lifestyle either. Teaching men that they can and should avoid the marriage trap is a valueable service by Mr. Leykis.
"Pooks stuff is different and I dont understand why you have this need to draw a comparison. Pook was pushing personal development more then anything else. Leykis is handing out advice. Is the advice he offers poor? Not at all. The difference is that if people where in the right frame initially they would not be there in the first place."
WTF? If people were in the right frame they wouldn't need Leykis or Pook.
This part you wrote makes no sense.
And Pook's stuff is only different in the sense its watered down Leykis, Shakespeare, The Bible, Nietchze wrapped in a sugar sweet diabetic coma producing overly optimistic package.
The difference between the two men is one largely plagiarized his material while the other you know the guy on the radio? He is a complete self made man.
"The bottom line here is that someone took something out of Pooks contributions and felt a sense of improvement because of it. That is a good thing regardless of who the message came from. Everything else is irrelevant."
The bottom line is you pimp the guy you worship and I'll pimp the guy I respect and we'll stay in our own corners with it and there will be peace. Thats really all that needed to be said but of course you just had to call me out because you don't know how to use the ignore feature and you are probably one of the weak males who just can't get into Tom's style. Pie in the sky optimism is what gets your heart beating and more power to you for that. I'll take realism and a solid delivery over that any day thanks.
"Dude, its an online forum. Not a way of life."
Actually DJing is a way of life.
"How the hell you can you have an emotional attachment this deep? You feel betrayed? Is this whole thing about trying to get back at a member that has moved on?"
You really are a dumb fvck you know that?
These are Mccain campaign tactics you are using.
You twist your own issue around to apply to me.
The point with what I wrote was showing how its you and the rest of the Pook worshippers that have the emotional attachment to him like he is some sort of messiah and that his pie in the sky overly optimistic style should rule this forum's discussion style for now and forever and I say fvck that, I say you kids need to get over your emotional attachment to this guy because he does not care at all about you and has made that clear with his own posts here. Just go read until you find those posts and you'll see I'm not lying about him or making sh!t up. He said he doesn't care about a single person here other than himself and never did.
"Grow up man."
Shut the fvck up symp.
"For all the advice Leykis has given you on how to be a man it seems as if basic character is something he rarely touches. Are you that petty?"
You are another dipsh!t going against the progress of time.
Just accept that your little buddy Pook moved on and the forum is gradually accepting a new message.
Its the year 2008.
Its time to get over your hero being gone, he's been gone for years and he isn't coming back.
Accept the new way the forum operates or take your ass to loveshack with the rest of the symp cretins that view life the same pussified way that you do.
"The promotional work you are doing for him needs to be saved for the right time and the right threads."
Learn to use the ignore button and work on yourself until you are no longer an assh0le.
The right time to speak about Tom Leykis is whenever I decide its the right time to speak about Tom Leykis.
Its like if you got horny for your dog and wanted to go lick its testicles I wouldn't try and stop you from doing that.
I might be disgusted by it but its your life and your choice.
So give me the same courtesy and fvck off.
